Ajacieden in Oranje

Van basten · Bericht door **Van basten** » ma mar 26, 2007 9:28 am

Kowalczyk schreef:I only watched the second half of Holland v Romania, so maybe I missed something truly fantastic in the first half, but from what I've seen it must have been one of the worst Oranje performances under Marco van Basten...

K.

No, you didn't miss anything "truly fantastic" ;) first half was the same shit as the second. 2 desicions by marco, that i didn't understand - to keep Kuyt on the bench for the whole match and to let seedorf play just 5 min :nooo:

ZoefdeHaas · Bericht door **ZoefdeHaas** » ma mar 26, 2007 10:06 am

We need Ruud. Or a really good winger.

Huntelaar didnt get any chances, as Robben and Babel hardly gave any crosses, passes or anything theyre suppose to give a lone striker.

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » ma mar 26, 2007 10:09 am

I don't think gifted but selfish Robben can fit in the typical Dutch system.

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma mar 26, 2007 10:33 am

Another awful beyond description performance from Marco's team. :pukey:

With a fit RVP on the left and Julien Jenner (never likely to be selected even though he is the best crosser and is a team player) as the right winger Oranje would have the wingers to play 4-3-3, but would still be lacking the midfielders to be able to effect that set up.

Louis Van gaal (since the start of the season) and Henk ten Caate (in the past couple of weeks) realise they do not have the players to play 4-3-3, but Marco seems insistant in persevering no matter how poor the resulting performance.

Marco, the taxi's been reordered.

ps: best game I watched at the weekend was Scotland v's Georgia :headbang: - two teams that used systems suited to their players abilities.

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » ma mar 26, 2007 1:41 pm

dws schreef: ps: best game I watched at the weekend was Scotland v's Georgia :headbang: - two teams that used systems suited to their players abilities.

I also thought Ingerlund did well to get a point in Tel Aviv...... ;)

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma mar 26, 2007 9:18 pm

Manneken Pis schreef:
dws schreef: ps: best game I watched at the weekend was Scotland v's Georgia :headbang: - two teams that used systems suited to their players abilities.
I also thought Ingerlund did well to get a point in Tel Aviv...... ;)

:D :D :D

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » wo jun 06, 2007 4:26 pm

FootballUnlimited.com writes:

Van der Vaart strike helps Dutch to 3-1 win over Thais

BANGKOK, June 6 (Reuters) -

Captain Rafael van der Vaart scored his third goal in two games to help the Netherlands cruise to a 3-1 win over Thailand in a friendly on Wednesday.
The SV Hamburg midfielder took just three minutes to get the visitors off the mark, latching on to a neat through ball from Wesley Sneijder to bury it inside the far post.
The Thais were overwhelmed throughout the game and did little to trouble the Dutch.
They soaked up constant pressure until the 41st minute when John Heitinga added a second for the Dutch, climbing high above the Thai defence to head home Sneijder's corner from the left.
The Dutch continued to press the hosts and got their third on 55 minutes when Dirk Kut found the unmarked Jan Vennegoor of Frankenstein, who lifted the ball into the top corner from close range.
Tawan Sripan salvaged some pride for Thailand on 65 minutes with a sweetly-struck free kick from 25 metres.
The Netherlands beat South Korea 2-0 last Saturday, with Van der Vaart scoring both goals.

ZoefdeHaas · Bericht door **ZoefdeHaas** » do jun 07, 2007 3:19 am

Sneijder with 3 assists.... nice.

But 3-1 against Thailand isn't a fancy scoreline. Nor is England's 3-0 over Estonia

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » do jun 07, 2007 6:13 am

ZoefdeHaas schreef: Nor is England's 3-0 over Estonia

Both are acceptable though. I didn't see the game (on pay TV) and I'm no big fan of England or McLaren but the press here are happy with the result. Estonia are a proper sized country and team so it's not like the Andorra game where they played badly against a small town........

Van basten · Bericht door **Van basten** » do jun 07, 2007 9:24 am

SE6Ajacied schreef:
ZoefdeHaas schreef: Nor is England's 3-0 over Estonia
Both are acceptable though. I didn't see the game (on pay TV) and I'm no big fan of England or McLaren but the press here are happy with the result. Estonia are a proper sized country and team so it's not like the Andorra game where they played badly against a small town........

Estonia looks pathetic in this campaign. After 7 games 0 points (just like Andorra). So you can't say that Estonia is better team then Andorra now

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » do jun 07, 2007 1:02 pm

Van basten schreef:
SE6Ajacied schreef:
ZoefdeHaas schreef: Nor is England's 3-0 over Estonia
Both are acceptable though. I didn't see the game (on pay TV) and I'm no big fan of England or McLaren but the press here are happy with the result. Estonia are a proper sized country and team so it's not like the Andorra game where they played badly against a small town........
Estonia looks pathetic in this campaign. After 7 games 0 points (just like Andorra). So you can't say that Estonia is better team then Andorra now

The Estonia coach said before the game that he effectively had 40 players to chose from when deciding his squad...

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » do jun 07, 2007 6:46 pm

Manneken Pis schreef:
Van basten schreef:
SE6Ajacied schreef: Both are acceptable though. I didn't see the game (on pay TV) and I'm no big fan of England or McLaren but the press here are happy with the result. Estonia are a proper sized country and team so it's not like the Andorra game where they played badly against a small town........
Estonia looks pathetic in this campaign. After 7 games 0 points (just like Andorra). So you can't say that Estonia is better team then Andorra now
The Estonia coach said before the game that he effectively had 40 players to chose from when deciding his squad...

OK, I hadn't seen that. I did say though that I hadn't (and still haven't) seen the game. The press have been hounding McLaren for weeks now though and they seemed satisfied with the result which is what I was basing my verdict on.....anyway, England might be poor but there's still

Van basten · Bericht door **Van basten** » wo jun 13, 2007 10:22 pm

under-21 championship

Netherlands - Portugal 2-1

A small revenge for WC..

First goal scored by Babel from penalty. Vermeer made his debute replacing Waterman in 34min. He had a good game. Maduro played all game. Netherlands are in semis already. last group game against Belgium (de Mul, Vermaelen) will decide who will finish 1 in the group. No differnce really

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » zo sep 09, 2007 9:45 pm

Holland vs Bulgaria: 2-0. Two goals from the 'Real Madrid connection' (1-0 Sneijder, 2-0 Van Nistelrooy). The only Ajacied to see action was John Heitinga: he played the full 90 minutes.

Former Ajacieden aplenty, as usual: Van der Sar, Melchiot, De Jong, Sneijder, Seedorf and Babel.

John Heitinga left 'Camp Oranje' today, due to "personal circumstances". He will stay in Holland and not play against Albania, in Tirana this upcoming Wednesday.

Marco van Basten called up three of the six players who had earlier dropped out of the squad of 24. The three who have been added are: Afellay (PSV), Van der Vaart (HSV) and Emanuelson (Ajax). No Klaas-Jan Huntelaar. He dropped out of the squad of 24 before the Bulgaria game, and has not been called back up for Albania.

K.

ajaxillinois · Bericht door **ajaxillinois** » di sep 11, 2007 9:11 pm

For those interested, FoxSoccer Channel is showing the Netherlands/Albania game tomorrow here in the US- 1:30 PM live coverage.

ajax-erie · Bericht door **ajax-erie** » wo sep 12, 2007 3:43 am

For those interested, FoxSoccer Channel is showing the Netherlands/Albania game tomorrow here in the US- 1:30 PM live coverage. ajaxillinois

Wed Sep 12 11:30AM Pacific
Wed Sep 12 12:30PM Mountain
Wed Sep 12 01:30PM Central
Wed Sep 12 02:30PM Eastern
Length: 2 hr 30 min LIVE
FOX Soccer Channel (FSC) - US
Euro 2008 Qualifying
Albania vs Netherlands

ajaxillinois · Bericht door **ajaxillinois** » wo sep 12, 2007 9:49 pm

Great win, especially considering Albania fielded 11 pro wrestlers and had the ref in their pocket the entire game. Good to see Urby come on and get the assist.

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » do sep 13, 2007 7:07 am

ajaxillinois schreef:Great win, especially considering Albania fielded 11 pro wrestlers and had the ref in their pocket the entire game. Good to see Urby come on and get the assist.

Didn't see the game (just highlights), but the Albanian goal should have been allowed. Comments from the tv analysts was VERY negative...we dodged bullet.

ajaxillinois · Bericht door **ajaxillinois** » do sep 13, 2007 5:25 pm

It did look like Melchiot's own goal maybe should have stood, but Oranje should have had at least 5-7 more free kicks close to the box with obvious calls ignored by the ref. I'd like to think Sneijder would have capitalized on at least one. So, in the end, though Netherlands didn't play their best, they deserved the win.

foxflyer5 · Bericht door **foxflyer5** » do sep 13, 2007 5:37 pm

i just watched the second half yesterday.
the orange looked to have the lions share of posession,
but the field seemed on the small side and albania was really crowding their box. some good build up play, but not enough room for anything but a few sneijder long range shots.
a little room opened up after that red card and a great play by emanuelson led to a great goal by ruud.

i thought the second half was pretty entertaining. a lot better than most of those other qualifying duds.

gordonvandekamp · Bericht door **gordonvandekamp** » do sep 13, 2007 5:43 pm

With regards to the Albania game, I'm all for Ajax selections, but I'm not so sure it's a good idea for van Basten, with so many good choices to choose from. During the whole game I had a gut instinct that there would be an Oranje winner in injury time, I'm glad it happened, but think it may have happened sooner with different substitutions. The Albanians were closing quickly on every ball, and I thought that was one of the biggest difficulties.

I would have liked to see this (at half-time) instead of what van Basten did:

Kuijt on for van Persie/Babel - I think van Persie would have still been effective after van Basten subbed him, but Kuijt should have gone on sometime in the attack due to his workrate and ability around the goal. I think he could have made a difference in such a defensively tight game that Albania was playing and to possibly provide van Nistelrooij with some more chances

Seedorf for de Zeeuw/Melchiot/van Bronckhorst. Melchiot had some runs on the wings and I think Seedorf would have handled them better and would have created more chances if subbed for either. If he went in for one of the defenders, probably would have shifted another midfielder back to a more defensive role, even though the Albanians weren't threatening much other than on the counter.

m BZ · Bericht door **m BZ** » do sep 13, 2007 6:33 pm

The Ruud goal made ESPN's TOP TEN plays of the day in America.

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Van basten · Bericht door **Van basten** » za okt 13, 2007 7:25 pm

Steks and Heitinga started against Romania. Ogararu also is in starting line-up for Romania. 0-0 HT

ZoefdeHaas · Bericht door **ZoefdeHaas** » zo okt 14, 2007 12:38 am

Romania won 1-0 with an offside goal...

The only good Ajax and former Ajax players were Stekks and Chivu.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » zo okt 14, 2007 11:08 am

I watched the first half and I thought Holland were really good, to be honest. More than 70% possession, they totally had 'em by the throat, whereas the conditions were a bit rough to say the least (storm, rain).

I left home during the half-time break, so I don't know what happened in the second half, but it's been a while since I saw Holland play so well as in the first half.

So, no worries. They'll hammer Slovenia and we're gonna go to Euro 2008.

K.