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Bericht door jamcocteau » do apr 06, 2006 9:38 am

philippe schreef:
bryan schreef:@phillipe: I don't agree. You can't sell one of your best defenders and then blame injuries when you don't have enough defenders.

It's Blind's own fault that the team is decimated by injury.
No, it's not Blind's fault, it's the responsability of the technical director, praised by Ko for the very same reason.
Who was it dropped Escude after the Feyenoord game - Blind. Who was it who refused to pick Escude when he recovered from injury in October, refusing to even put him on the pitch - Blind. That has nothing to do with the technical director - Blind picks the team and at a time in the season when Ajax were requiring natural central defenders Blind never even had him on the bench. Blind sowed the seeds of his departure by his refusal to acknowledge him, even although he was club captain.

Now to answer the other part - did Ajax sell Escude or did Escude ask to leave. Who knows as nobody has came out in the press and stated this.

In my opinion, it is like any other job in the world that if you are made to feel surplus to requirement which Escude probably felt then if somebody comes along and offers you a job elsewhere where you will made to feel wanted - you will take it. Now as I say this is only my opinion of what happened but to blame the Technical Director for Escude's departure is nonsense especially when none of us are privvy to what actually happened.

In addition Blind is responsible for overseeing the players training not the TD, so if any injuries are caused in the training ground then you have to question the trainign methods.
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Bericht door Frans » do apr 06, 2006 10:24 am

Kowalczyk schreef: 1. At the start of the season he said explicitly and repeatedly that this team was good enough for a succesful season. Which has turned out to be an enormous misjudgement (for the second time, in fact: in 1999, when he was 'director of player policy', he was also convinced that that squad was good enough for a fantastic season).
K.
mitea---------charisteas----------rosales

----sneijder---maduro------de jong

urby----escude------grygera------trabelsi

---------------stekelenburg--------------

bench ---pienaar, babel, heitinga, vermaelen, vonk/lobont, rosenberg, galasek, lindenbergh, manucharyan, juanfran.

I don't think you can really take a dig at Blind for saying the squad was good enough. It's a pretty strong squad to my way of thinking.

Be honest. At the beginning of the season, how many people thought this squad would struggle like it has?

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Bericht door aveslacker » do apr 06, 2006 3:35 pm

I remember being very optimistic (not surprising, I usually am) about the squad's chances given the way they finished last season under Blind.

Ahh, the good old days, before the season started.
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Bericht door jakobg » do apr 06, 2006 4:10 pm

aveslacker schreef: Ahh, the good old days, before the season started.
There are always lots of good old days, when it comes to Ajax. How about a bright future for a change?
Has anyone seen the Limecat?

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Bericht door aveslacker » do apr 06, 2006 4:40 pm

There will always be a bright future. We are Ajax, not fucknoord.
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Bericht door ozzerdibazio » do apr 06, 2006 9:37 pm

Danny blind is no better than jan wouters in my opinion. Ajax are a joke at the moment and i belive Danny Blind is to blame. And he sold Escude, something i can never forgive him for.

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Bericht door Philippe » zo apr 09, 2006 7:20 pm

my guess is that we will win the playoffs, and the Cup; and Danny Blind will remain our coach, as he will then diserve it

with Mitea, Emanuelson and Sneijder back, no team can beat us for the coming games
Appie, stay strong !

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Bericht door jamcocteau » zo apr 09, 2006 8:30 pm

philippe schreef:my guess is that we will win the playoffs, and the Cup; and Danny Blind will remain our coach, as he will then diserve it

with Mitea, Emanuelson and Sneijder back, no team can beat us for the coming games
I admire your confidence - but how in hell does Blind deserve to stay coach - this has been the worst Ajax season in years. If he wins these games fine but at the end of the day we will only be in the CL because of the most absurd system devised in European football. Nobody wants it, nobody likes it - Ajax are 5th at the end of the season, not 1st, not 2nd but 5th, if that is good by your standards Philippe, fine but it isnt by mine or the vast majority of the Ajax support. Ajax dont deserve CL football next year, plain and simple. I will be glad if we get it, of course, but the Play-Off system sucks.

To be honest will these 3 players make much of a difference- maybe, maybe not but look at it this way all 3 will be well short of 1st team games and in Miteas case this could make a huge difference.
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Bericht door carcajou » zo apr 09, 2006 9:01 pm

Plus in Mitea's case, we shouldn't forget how much of an under-achiver he is.

Seriously he's always failed to impress me, and I don't think he'll ever be the winger for Ajax.
meh :|

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Bericht door DrDuncan » zo apr 09, 2006 10:02 pm

I hope we win the Cup and the play-offs, but we should get rid of Danny Blind even if we do. Every time in the professional era that we have lost 10 league games we have sacked the coach, and we should do so again. After all, we are Ajax and we have standards to maintain.

As for nobody liking the play-off system, I'm not so sure about that. There was a report last summer that every club except PSV had voted for it. Fword, AZ, etc probably thought it was a good idea because they could finish behind us and still have a chance of getting in the Champions League. If the tables are turned on them, tough luck!

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Bericht door jamcocteau » zo apr 09, 2006 11:02 pm

DrDuncan schreef:
As for nobody liking the play-off system, I'm not so sure about that. There was a report last summer that every club except PSV had voted for it. Fword, AZ, etc probably thought it was a good idea because they could finish behind us and still have a chance of getting in the Champions League. If the tables are turned on them, tough luck!
That was last summer and a report by the clubs themselves, i am talking about now - christ there was at least 4 large banners round the ground today with with slogans such as PLAY OFFS FUCK OFF - that tells you what most supporters think. I couldnt care what the chairmen of the clubs think, as a supporter and paying customer I dont like them - and having met a number of other contributors to this board today could find no-one else who likes them. It is just another method of screwing the paying customer - if we qualify that is 2 more tickets to pay for above the season ticket cost and probably the tickets will be sold at a premium price too.

They were created out if pure greed by a bunch of under acheiving chairmen who havent the balls to accept what a proper laegue stands for - you play 34 games, the team with the most points are champions, the team with the 2nd most points after 34 games go into Champions League. Very simple.

I wont be complaining if we do qualify for the CL, but at the same time if it keeps Blind in a job I wont be happy.
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Replacement?

Bericht door rahul9687 » ma apr 10, 2006 6:32 am

I agree that Blind should be fired/resign but then who will take his place? I think we need a big name manager to come here as the last few have been young and untested.

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Bericht door DrDuncan » ma apr 10, 2006 8:13 am

Personally I agree with you 100% Jamcocteau. The system sucks, and if fan power could get it thrown out for next season I'd be as happy as anyone.

It was the club officials I had in mind when I said I hope it rebounds on them. If the team that finishes 2nd does not win the CL place, I hope their officials will add their weight to the fans campaign.

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Bericht door Philippe » ma apr 10, 2006 10:07 am

the way Ajax will win the last coming games will tell if we can play like Ajax again, and I think the answer will be yes
the most important for me is to have a true Ajacien as a coach, to keep the Ajax style and culture
Appie, stay strong !

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Bericht door SE6Ajacied » ma apr 10, 2006 11:51 am

philippe schreef: the most important for me is to have a true Ajacien as a coach, to keep the Ajax style and culture
I don't think I'm going to be the last one to comment here Phillipe. What you've said does make sense up to a point.....in the sense that most of us would want someone who understands the traditions and the "Ajax way' of doing things as coach, but the "most important' thing, no surely not. In that case we night as well keep Blind forever....who cares if we're in the Gouden Gids divisie and lose 3-0 every week as long as the coach repects the traditions and the team looks nice. We could bring back the old badge and TDK as shirt sponsors while we're about it too.....

Like I said, it makes sense, up to a point, it's the "most important thing' bit where it goes badly wrong for me.......
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Bericht door jamcocteau » ma apr 10, 2006 12:08 pm

philippe schreef: the most important for me is to have a true Ajacien as a coach, to keep the Ajax style and culture
Philippe, nice enough point but like all cultures, evolution has to take place at some stage or they simply go backwards or in worst cases die as they are stuck in the past. Maybe it is time for Ajax to be revolutionary once again and bring in a coach who is not burdened with the Ajax culture as I fear Blind has been. A coach who can take the club forward in a manner that those who built the club to what it is now would look upon as being the next extension of the ideals behind Ajax.
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.

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Bericht door Kowalczyk » wo apr 12, 2006 6:55 am

The Danny Blind hearing was yesterday evening. The KNVB prosecutor is "not convinced" that Blind abused referee Roelof Luinge after his half-time whistle in Kerkrade on April 2nd and has demanded that the charges will be dropped. The disciplinary committee will have to come to a verdict in the upcoming days. They normally come to the same conclusion as the prosecutor, so it seems like Danny Blind will not be suspended.

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Bericht door ozzerdibazio » wo apr 12, 2006 8:00 am

Does anyone think it would be possible, for Louis van gaal to return as head coach. That would be a dream. It's definately time to get rid of Blind

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Bericht door Manneken Pis » do apr 13, 2006 8:00 am

ozzerdibazio schreef:Does anyone think it would be possible, for Louis van gaal to return as head coach. That would be a dream. It's definately time to get rid of Blind
I think too many bridges have been burnt in the Koeman era....

In summary, the board had to chose because there were too many philosphical/ego differences between the manager (Koeman) and the technical director (Van Gaal), and they went with Koeman..... X'C.

I don't think Van Gaal has forgiven them (me neither.... :furious3: ).
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Bericht door Ayman » do apr 13, 2006 9:24 pm

Manneken Pis:
think too many bridges have been burnt in the Koeman era....

In summary, the board had to chose because there were too many philosphical/ego differences between the manager (Koeman) and the technical director (Van Gaal), and they went with Koeman..... .

I don't think Van Gaal has forgiven them
Well they changed the board now, as so many have resigned and we got new members...except for Jeron Sloep

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Bericht door rahul9687 » do apr 20, 2006 2:47 pm

Don't you think that after trying 2 relatively unproven coaches in Koeman and Blind , the Board should go for a big name now?

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Bericht door Kowalczyk » do apr 20, 2006 5:04 pm

rahul9687 schreef:Don't you think that after trying 2 relatively unproven coaches in Koeman and Blind , the Board should go for a big name now?
YES!

No more gambling with inexperienced, young coaches, please.

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Bericht door Blind3 » vr apr 21, 2006 5:10 am

Agree wholeheartedly. I like Blind alot, but I too would like a more experienced first team coach.
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Bericht door Venezuelan Ajacied » vr apr 21, 2006 2:04 pm

Well after our 3-0 thumping of F-word that leaves Blind in more a precarous condition than a lot of people think, if we win the play-off then he is staying, obvious right ??? Well yes but what would happen if we fuck up our lead in Rotterdam ????? I'd say he would quit if that happened :yes:

Of course that wont happen but just a thought ;)
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Bericht door Kowalczyk » vr apr 21, 2006 2:11 pm

I think the board's already decided on him. It's a done deal and the play-offs won't matter (that would be a bit daft, actually). I think he's on his way out, no matter what. He won't be 'sacked', but 'replaced' in a respectful way, kind of.

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