Players Leaving Ajax

[aveslacker]

Less than £30m but I am sure Ko will likely know more!!

Barca were £420m in the red before Villa signed and Real must be twice that !

Back To Suarez I see Valencia may go for him if they sell Silva also. I do not really see them as a big team and did they not have debts of hundreds of millions??

That's not great, but not that bad, I suppose. Could be worse, but I suppose they won't need to sell Suarez unless they get a very good offer.

[jamcocteau]

I honestly think that Suarez performance at the World Cup will have a lot to do whether he remains at the club or not - a great world cup and somebody somewhere will raise the money for him. A poor world cup and hopefully he will decide to stay on.

I agree with Benji, Ajax are not in net debt as total assets still outweigh total liabilities, although because of the loss incurred this year we are having problems with repaying our short term debt thus a liquidity problem. Hopefully this can be sorted in the coming months by qualifying for Champions League proper and cutting wage bill by getting rid of unwanted players. Restructuring of some financial sort will have to take place and this might mean players being sold but not necessarily so.

Barcelona are not in the red to the tune of 420 million pounds - they may have current liabilities ie debt which must be repaid within a year, of that amount but again they are in the black as the total assets of the club were greater than their liabilities. At last audited balance sheet date, 30/6/09, the club had net assets of over Eur 20m with current liabilities of Eur 360m and current assets of Eur 160m so net short term debt of Eur 200m.

[Orange14]

Thanks to SPL for posting the EPL team debts. I suspect that they are all somewhat higher than listed because of the limitations of the report. I know West Ham is currently staring at about £90m as compared to the reported £48m. I imagine that the same thing would show up with the Italian teams. The only fundamentally sound league these days is the Bundesliga, but then virtually all the teams don't engage in huge transfer deals to the same extent as England, Italy and Spain. It's going to be interesting to see what happens this summer. Other than a couple of high profile moves such as the ones we've seen I suspect that many players will be disappointed from offers. With Villa moving to Barca, where will Zlatan end up? I doubt he will be staying at the Nou Camp.

[Blind3]

Wonder if Zlatan would look to reunite with Jose Mourinho ? I did see one article where Zlatan said he's not looking to head to the EPL .

[Rooie]

Johan Derksen reports that Gabri is following Ten Cate to Qatar.

[aveslacker]

Johan Derksen reports that Gabri is following Ten Cate to Qatar.

Maybe I'll see them having ice cream in the mall with Ronald DeBoer.

[Rooie]

Fixed transfer: Gabri moves to Umm-Salal (Ajax.nl)

[SPL]

Qatar now want Oleguer, (and also old Ajax Melchiot now with Wigan)

Oleguer was an experince backup last year but if we can get a couple of million for him we should let him go . You cannot pay someone 2m euros per year(only Suarez earns more )just to sit on the bench.

[Amol]

Qatar now want Oleguer, (and also old Ajax Melchiot now with Wigan)

Oleguer was an experince backup last year but if we can get a couple of million for him we should let him go . You cannot pay someone 2m euros per year(only Suarez earns more )just to sit on the bench.

Can we gift wrap Wielart and send him over too?

[SPL]

Agree can Ten Cate take Kennedy Sno and Wielaert.

[SPL]

The rumors continue but Marseille would pay 20m for Suarez is a joke but the made up stories about
V d Wiel get worse . Roma value him at 7m euros and today Villa have 4.2 m euros to buy him . I know these are all made up but the amounts being quoted by the press are just stupid . If they are going to make up such stories at least they could quote some accurate figures .

At least with the WC starting they can write about something else for a week or 2.

[Jinne]

Especially those fees mentioned for Greg are laughable.

[cdnajaxfan]

As of March 2010, Ajax's debt is 25 million euros. Source is below.

http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-a ... yers/6621/

I think that we are financially sound. UEFA has come in with financial regulations apparently that the EPL and La Liga clubs will have trouble meeting. This should level the playing field significantly.

Suarez will not be going to Barca. Man City want Zlatan and are offering previous Barca target the problematic Robhino and probably cash which sounds like a good deal to me if I were Barca.

I could see him going to Chelsea if we don't qualify and if they do not get Kun Aguero and replacing Joe Cole. Man U have too much debt and Arsenal are too cheap. Spurs are not a big enough club and they also still have to qualify for the CL like us. Real have Ronaldo so they don't need him. Bayern have Robben so ditto there. Valencia are broke. Sevilla is a possibility if they need him but I don't think they have the cash. The next most plausible is Atletico as replacement for Kun Aguero. I think he will stay because we are FINALLY going to qualify this year! We had better or we are in trouble!

[Rooie]

Those reports are false, cdn. They are making the classical error of counting a loss as a debt. Ajax makes a loss of about 25m euros this year but has capital to compensate for it. Unhealthy loss, but the debts do not outweigh the remaining capital --> we speak of a club that isn't in debt.

[SPL]

We are not in the red but all the teams who want our players are millions in the red! The English and spanish teams should be stopped from signing players until they get out the red.

[jamcocteau]

Sorry , not all the teams are in the red - these articles which everybody seems to be reading are written in the whole by non-financial people who have no concept of what they are writing about and problem is, as with many things on the internet, people do seem to take it as gospel.

What has been written about Ajax being the prime example - Ajax are not in the red but most certainly towards the end of last season had major cashflow problems ie where there was insufficient cash to meet their immediate liabilities. So though overall total assets exceed total liabilities, not enough cash was available to pay what needed to be paid immediately eg wages taxes, wages, VAT etc. This can cause major problems esp in the current situation where banks are looking more closely at customers financial situation and might not be wanting to extend a companys overdraft facility to pay these creditors. This can lead to any one of the creditors if not paid their due amount and not agreeing to alternative settlement to apply for the company to be declared bankrupt. So overall, Ajax are in not a bad state financially but do need to do something to redress the immediate impact of poor cash management.

Another example of internet and poor journalism being taken as gospel is the finances of Barcelona FC. I have read on this board in the last week that they have been Eur 480m in the red and this is being financed solely by the banks. Both utterly and completely wrong. I do believe that Barca wil have short term debt of this amount considering that last year the figure was about Eur 320. However Barca did have current assets to offset this of Eur 180m which was net short term liabilites of Eur 140, too much I agree but not what the press reported. In addition, Barca only owed at 30 June Eur 30m to the banks which out of short term debt of Eur320m is very little and not exactly stealing from the banks. Most of the money Barca were due to pay in short term debt was due to players, ie bonuses for winning CL and La Liqua that year, and also to Spanish tax authorities for a dispute going back well before La Paorta joined the board and was indeed settled in 2010. Indeed, Barca cannot heavily borrow from the banks as it is not permitted in the constitution of the club and I think that a proposal to change this was rejected some years back. Most of Barcas funding comes with arrangements with its own members, this makes them less likely to be declared bankrupt as they are not due money to persons / bodies outwith the club.

Of course, audited financial statements can be manipulated and if we were to look at the finances of Ajax today I bet they would look great but that will just be because this forethecoming seasons seasoncard money was collected last week. So today Ajax will probably have a very healthy looking balance sheet.

Now I know football is in a mess financially, as I have posted previously, but all I am saying is not to take what is written in the press as gospel as very often it is written by sports journalists and not financial journalists. And as we all know our media is more sensationalist than ever before - why let the truth get in the way of a good headline.

[SPL]

Our press today states Man u cannot afford 35m euros fro Suarez so wont be signing him . Given their Debts are over 1billion I think there may be some truth in this.

Weekend silly rumour of course was Ajax agree to sell V dWiel for 12m euors to Barca. This of course was just some local Barca radio making things up . I did read Milan cannot afford to pay 15m euros for him and Barca have still got Alves so do they really want Greg just yet? Would be great if these 2 stayed for another year.

[jamcocteau]

Our press today states Man u cannot afford 35m euros fro Suarez so wont be signing him . Given their Debts are over 1billion I think there may be some truth in this.

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SPL, forgive me for being pedantic but the debt of Man Utd is the GBP 700m, it is their owners who have debts of over GBP 1 billion with GBP 380 million against shopping malls and GBP 70 debt of Tampa Buccaneers.

As I say not wanting to be pedantic but better stating it correctly I feel

[Orange14]

Our press today states Man u cannot afford 35m euros fro Suarez so wont be signing him . Given their Debts are over 1billion I think there may be some truth in this.

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SPL, forgive me for being pedantic but the debt of Man Utd is the GBP 700m, it is their owners who have debts of over GBP 1 billion with GBP 380 million against shopping malls and GBP 70 debt of Tampa Buccaneers.

As I say not wanting to be pedantic but better stating it correctly I feel

Correct. ManU is in trouble only because the Glazers are in trouble with their shopping malls and the US football team. If they cannot service that debt then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. The problem is that the club fans who want to buy the team cannot afford it as they don't have enough capital (one would think without a "sugar daddy") to service the debt that the Glazers have built up over the last several years as they siphoned funds away for other purposes. I agree with jamcocteau that the balance sheets of all clubs can be manipulated but i suspect the current Euro finance crises will make banks think twice about extending any credit. I still believe that other than ManCity and Chelsea (which do have "sugar daddies") that most other teams will be quite cautious in this summer's transfer market. That being said, we should take the money if anyone offers us more than €25 million for Suarez or €12 million for Van der Wiel. I doubt we will see these prices again in the near term.

[jamcocteau]

I still believe that other than ManCity and Chelsea (which do have "sugar daddies") that most other teams will be quite cautious in this summer's transfer market. That being said, we should take the money if anyone offers us more than €25 million for Suarez or €12 million for Van der Wiel. I doubt we will see these prices again in the near term.

I know that we all value Suarez on here at Eur 30m plus but one thing which I do not think will help us in receiving bids of this size, unless he has a good World Cup, is how poorly the topscorers in the Eredivisie have actually performed when transferred to the so-called bigger leagues.

Huntelaar was Eredivisie top scorer twice with 33 goals each season and has hardly set the heather alight since his transfer. Afonso Alves scored 34 goals in his season as topscorer, was transferred to Middlesborough and managed about 10 goals in 40 odd games and now plys his trade in Qatar. Kezman was 3 times Eredivisie top scorer and since his transfer in 2004 has played for 5 clubs and only once managed double figures in terms of goals in one season. Kuyt was Eredivisie top scorer once, managing 2 goals in every 3 games for them but now manages about 1 goal every 4 games for the Scousers.

I know that there is far more to Suarez game than just goals and has more in terms of skill than those above but no club is going to offer Eur 30m for a player just because he can score goals in the Eredivise, looking at lack of success of previous winners. In addition, he has no Champions League experience at all which will not have helped our selling value. Would also help if he was playing for the Dutch champions. A wee bit of medal success always help in transfer terms.

I would love to see Suarez stay and hope he does but if he goes, anybody thinking we will get Eur 30m plus for him in todays market and from what I have stated above is being naive imo.

[Orange14]

I still believe that other than ManCity and Chelsea (which do have "sugar daddies") that most other teams will be quite cautious in this summer's transfer market. That being said, we should take the money if anyone offers us more than €25 million for Suarez or €12 million for Van der Wiel. I doubt we will see these prices again in the near term.

I know that we all value Suarez on here at Eur 30m plus but one thing which I do not think will help us in receiving bids of this size, unless he has a good World Cup, is how poorly the topscorers in the Eredivisie have actually performed when transferred to the so-called bigger leagues.

Huntelaar was Eredivisie top scorer twice with 33 goals each season and has hardly set the heather alight since his transfer. Afonso Alves scored 34 goals in his season as topscorer, was transferred to Middlesborough and managed about 10 goals in 40 odd games and now plys his trade in Qatar. Kezman was 3 times Eredivisie top scorer and since his transfer in 2004 has played for 5 clubs and only once managed double figures in terms of goals in one season. Kuyt was Eredivisie top scorer once, managing 2 goals in every 3 games for them but now manages about 1 goal every 4 games for the Scousers.

I know that there is far more to Suarez game than just goals and has more in terms of skill than those above but no club is going to offer Eur 30m for a player just because he can score goals in the Eredivise, looking at lack of success of previous winners. In addition, he has no Champions League experience at all which will not have helped our selling value. Would also help if he was playing for the Dutch champions. A wee bit of medal success always help in transfer terms.

I would love to see Suarez stay and hope he does but if he goes, anybody thinking we will get Eur 30m plus for him in todays market and from what I have stated above is being naive imo.

Good analysis. One other thing I would add; if Uruguay crashes out of the WC with a poor offensive showing, his value will drop considerably. I continue to think he will be with us for one more season. If we make it into the CL group play because of him his value will go up.

[SPL]

Sorry the 1 billion debt is that of the Glazers and Man U 's is somewhere near 700mplus.My paper yesterday was suggesting Man U had 1billion debt . There is a TV.prog on tonight about Man u and the Glazers.

I do not see anyone buying Suarez this summer for over 30m euros let alone the near 40m we want .
V d Wiel wont bring in too many offers over 15m euros. We will see.

[Orange14]

Sorry the 1 billion debt is that of the Glazers and Man U 's is somewhere near 700mplus.My paper yesterday was suggesting Man U had 1billion debt . There is a TV.prog on tonight about Man u and the Glazers.

Apparently one of the commentators on the show said that the Glazers would automatically accept £1.5 billion for the club. This is crazy for a team which has over £700 million in debt. I would be curious to know what the team's annual cash flow is given the level of player's wages. Looks like Sir Alex will have to get out and sell a lot kit tops this summer to make enough to enter the transfer market.

[SPL]

Groningen cannot afford Wielaert's wages. I think we will struggle to get rid of him , Kennedy and Sno

[Orange14]

Groningen cannot afford Wielaert's wages. I think we will struggle to get rid of him , Kennedy and Sno

Marco's legacies.