Players Leaving Ajax

[Orange14]

I think this is the right place to post this. SPL yesterday mused about the following: "How many of our team were playing their last game at the Arena? Pantelic, Urby, Suarez , possibly V d Wiel and even Vertonghen and Steks are being looked at . I am sure all 6 wont leave this summer especially if we win the title. Very frustrating as Jol has got the makings of a good team." Let's assume that they all want to move on to one of the major leagues: England, Spain, Italy, maybe Germany (I'm not terribly familiar with the French league so it's not considered). Furthermore, assume that they really want to also play CL football. This being the case; as of today the following leagues will send these teams to CL:
England: Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal, Tottenham (qualifying round; but it could also be ManCity, Aston Villa or Liverpool)
Spain: Barca, Real Madrid, Valencia, Mallorca (qualifying; but it could be Sevilla, Villareal, or Getafe)
Italy: Roma, Inter, AC Milan, Sampdoria (qualifying; but it could be Palermo, Juventus, Napoli)
Germany: Bayern, Schalke, Werder Bremen (qualifying; but it could be Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Dortmund, Stuttgart)

Realistically, which of these clubs has both the needs AND money to attract any of the players on SPL's list. Chelsea and ManCity have money thanks to sugar daddy owners but maybe not the needs. ManU and Arsenal have large debt but could finance acquisitions but it's questionable whether they want any of the listed players other than Suarez. Liverpool is on the sales block. Aston Villa is very cautious on financing acquisitions. In Spain Barca and Madrid can buy players but may not need who we have other than Barca maybe going for Suarez. Valencia can buy only if they sell Villa and perhaps Silva as they have a long term fiancial problem. Sevilla could buy. In Italy, Roma is on the sales block, Inter and AC Milan could buy but may not have specific needs. If Juventus don't get the 4th qualifying spot, they are in bad shape. I don't know enough about the other clubs in Italy. In Germany Bayern could buy but would they need one of our players? Schalke will lose Kuranyi this summer on Bosman but I don't think Suarez wants to go there. Werder is an interesting consideration for Urby and maybe even Vertonghen. The other three German clubs don't have much of a history in buying Dutch footballers (I think).

Bottom line is that given the current economics, I'm not sure that the players can get what they think they might be worth other than Suarez. I would welcome other's thoughts on this.

[aveslacker]

Even Chelsea's management have said they can't go on a spending spree. Ultimately, the global footballing economy, being in a contractionary phase and all, is our ally.

[Orange14]

Even Chelsea's management have said they can't go on a spending spree. Ultimately, the global footballing economy, being in a contractionary phase and all, is our ally.

That and the looming defaults of the governments of Greece, Spain and Portugal! It appears to me that only the Bundesliga teams are financially solid.

[Orange14]

Athletico Madrid is said to be selling striker Sergio Aguero to Chelsea for 40M pounds and Barca is said to have signed an agreement with Valencia striker David Villa. I guess this means Suarez won't be going to Barca but it now potentially gives Athletico funds to bid for Luis. He would join up with fellow countryman Diego Forlan. Again this is just conjecture on my part!!!! Athletico are mathematically eliminated from CL contention and also might not qualify for Europa League next season. Don't know if that would figure in.

[SPL]

Doubt he would join them . At 23 he is not old enough to play for ACMilan !!! Inter wont pay 30m . So that leaves England

Liverpool no money
Arsenal wont pay more than 10m for a player
Man City if they are in CL they could afford him
Chelsea are not going to spend so much but they are a real possibility
Man U have Valencia and Nani as wide players and with Rooney I do not see him going there plus they owe 700m .

It is all dependent on us being in the CL proper. If we win the title then he may stay if no one special comes in for him . V d Wiel will also stay if we are in the CL proper.Urby and Pantelic may even be offered pay rises if we win the title and qualify for CL proper.

If the really big clubs come in for Suarez V d Wiel and even Vertonghen there is little we can do .

On the players out I want us to concentrate on getting rid of Wielaert, Kennedy, Aissati,Lindgren and probably Sulejmani . In addition decide on Oleguer ie can we keep a player on the bench who is our second largest earner.
Also loaned players to go Sno and Manucharyan .Decide whether V d Heijden Donald and Sarpong are going to make it if not get rid.

We have far too many spare players on hugh wages and they have to go .I hope next year I do not have to moan that our Jong team costs the best part of 30m euros.

[SPL]

i thought all dutch players whose contracts run out on 30 June have to be told by 1st april whether they
will get new contracts but I must be wrong . Nathaniel Will the Jong Ajax full back has said today that he has not been told anything by Ajax even though his contract expires next month . Nothing from Ajax has come out about the 12 Jong whose contracts expire next month .

[Philippe]

Sounds like conditions for Suarez to stay with Ajax : Ik wil dat Dennis Rommedahl, Urby Emanuelson en Marko Pantelic hun contract verlengen. He wants all the three named players to stay.

[Jojo]

Pantelić could sign for Schalke and he already had a meeting with Felix Magath last week.

[Orange14]

Pantelić could sign for Schalke and he already had a meeting with Felix Magath last week.

Kuranyi is leaving on a Bosman and Pantelic is not nearly in his class. I doubt Schalke will meet Marko's request for a three year contract but who knows. Too bad we can't get Kuranyi as he seems to be headed either for England or Turkey.

[Van basten]

We should try get Ruiz from Twente.

[afcajax73]

We should try get Ruiz from Twente.

i dont see why, it would make more sence to keep what we have now, pantelic has a better minutes to goals ratio than suarez if you explude penatlys (i think) lol

[Van basten]

We should try get Ruiz from Twente.

i dont see why, it would make more sence to keep what we have now, pantelic has a better minutes to goals ratio than suarez if you explude penatlys (i think) lol

Because Ruiz is 24 and Pantelic 31. And also, he's better then Marko.

[Cedric]

And what about the fact that Ruiz would cost 15 millions?

[Orange14]

And what about the fact that Ruiz would cost 15 millions?

That coupled with the general director of FC Twente Musterman's intense dislike of Ajax makes this an impossible transfer (besides which we have Lodeiro and Eriksen who are quite promising and already under multi-year contracts)

[Van basten]

And what about the fact that Ruiz would cost 15 millions?

That coupled with the general director of FC Twente Musterman's intense dislike of Ajax makes this an impossible transfer (besides which we have Lodeiro and Eriksen who are quite promising and already under multi-year contracts)

I ment if Suarez leaves this summer. Lodeiro and Eriksen are not CF.

[Orange14]

And what about the fact that Ruiz would cost 15 millions?

That coupled with the general director of FC Twente Musterman's intense dislike of Ajax makes this an impossible transfer (besides which we have Lodeiro and Eriksen who are quite promising and already under multi-year contracts)

I ment if Suarez leaves this summer. Lodeiro and Eriksen are not CF.

I'm not sure Ruiz is really a CF; he may be better suited as an attacking midfielder.

[SPL]

With Twente at best losing 2or 3 star players looking at the rumours we stand to lose the whole of our team except Anita and Alderweireld.

Steks and VdWiel both fancy moves . Vertonghen has said he will stay but Barca and R Madrid were mentioned although lesser teams were mentioned .

Enoh has attracted interest from Germany and Spain . This week Sevilla say they fancy Siem and today a team with no money Liverpool want de Zeeuw.

Up front Pantelic is off to Shalke, Suarez well today its ManU and finally we dont want to give Urby any more money so he will be off.

Now I expect some will leave but it is amazing that we finish 2nd and the press decides that all of our players should be in the top leagues. We are building a decent team have won nothing and now we are likely to lose at least half the team and the press say the other half are wanted.

Welcome to the summer and rumours a day in the press.

[Orange14]

I continue to believe that except for any player out of contract, it is going to be difficult for our players to move on. With the current Euro crisis and banks being extra careful with balance sheets, the money for transfers is simply not going to be there. I doubt whether any of the big clubs will be bringing in more than one or two players. So the big question remains whether our players want to play CL football with Ajax or go to some mid-table team in Spain, England, Italy, or Germany and "maybe" play Europa League. Does Juventus look appealing given their 7th place finish? They say Buffon is moving to England, but who can afford the salary and transfer fee he will be asking for (and he has now a history of back problems). I'm not giving any of the rumors any credibility (but I may be wrong of course).

[aveslacker]

I continue to believe that except for any player out of contract, it is going to be difficult for our players to move on. With the current Euro crisis and banks being extra careful with balance sheets, the money for transfers is simply not going to be there. I doubt whether any of the big clubs will be bringing in more than one or two players. So the big question remains whether our players want to play CL football with Ajax or go to some mid-table team in Spain, England, Italy, or Germany and "maybe" play Europa League. Does Juventus look appealing given their 7th place finish? They say Buffon is moving to England, but who can afford the salary and transfer fee he will be asking for (and he has now a history of back problems). I'm not giving any of the rumors any credibility (but I may be wrong of course).

Exactly. The newspapers don't have to worry about the clubs' bottom lines so they can spin whatever they want, just like they were all saying that Suarez was going to leave in the winter window. Other than Pantelic, I can see the whole team staying, unless some bigass offer comes in for Suarez.

[SPL]

Hopefully you will be right . Today states Everton have had abid of about 12m turned down for Vertonghen. He has said he wont leave for another year . I do not think for a moment he would consider joining a small team like Everton .

His mate Vermaelen went for £10m and now is worth £20 m , I rate Vertonghen as his equal .

[Orange14]

This is really astounding: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... pe&cc=5901 Apparently teams in the Spanish league have a huge collective debt (no surprise there). I do question whether Madrid is really profitable given the funny bank loans (which should really dry up completely given the current Euro economic climate). Given that Barca has just acquired David Villa and may move now for Cesc Fabregas I can't see them having any spare change to make a move for Suarez. I really wonder right now whether any of our players will be moving on other than Urby (who will be out of contract next season and we may need to transfer him this year to get any return on the investment). Curious times indeed.

[SPL]

If Suarez goes it is likely to be to England .

In my paper today it lists the debts of all EPL clubs.
Chelsea £726m
Man U £717m
Liverpool £394m
Fulham £207m
Pompey £123m
Villa £ 114m
Spurs £80m
Wigan £69m
Bolton £67m
W Ham £48m
Sunderland £46m
Everton £41m
Man City £37m
Arsenal £26m
Blackburn £20m
Stoke £17m
Hull£15m
Burnley£13m
Birmingham £2.8m
Wolves £300k.
These are debts from banks financial institutes and owners.
Chelsea still owe the above debt to the parent company .
Arsenal have amortgage of under £200m to pay for their new ground so their debts are higher than listed.

So back to selling Suarez , Man city can afford him but I doubt he will go there. Arsenal will never pay £30m for a player( Wenger is more likely to steal our 16 year olds) and Spurs say they are interested but doubt they would pay £30m.

Man U and Chelsea are the only clubs in England he could go to this summer. My gut feeling is he will stay .There does not appear to be any Spanish or Italian clubs who will buy him now that Villa has gone to Barca.

It would be great if he could stay for another year and also we keep V d Wiel and Vertonghen .
The performances of the Ajax lads at the WC will be interesting .

[aveslacker]

If Suarez goes it is likely to be to England .

In my paper today it lists the debts of all EPL clubs.
Chelsea £726m
Man U £717m
Liverpool £394m
Fulham £207m
Pompey £123m
Villa £ 114m
Spurs £80m
Wigan £69m
Bolton £67m
W Ham £48m
Sunderland £46m
Everton £41m
Man City £37m
Arsenal £26m
Blackburn £20m
Stoke £17m
Hull£15m
Burnley£13m
Birmingham £2.8m
Wolves £300k.
These are debts from banks financial institutes and owners.
Chelsea still owe the above debt to the parent company .
Arsenal have amortgage of under £200m to pay for their new ground so their debts are higher than listed.

So back to selling Suarez , Man city can afford him but I doubt he will go there. Arsenal will never pay £30m for a player( Wenger is more likely to steal our 16 year olds) and Spurs say they are interested but doubt they would pay £30m.

Man U and Chelsea are the only clubs in England he could go to this summer. My gut feeling is he will stay .There does not appear to be any Spanish or Italian clubs who will buy him now that Villa has gone to Barca.

It would be great if he could stay for another year and also we keep V d Wiel and Vertonghen .
The performances of the Ajax lads at the WC will be interesting .

Interesting info. What is Ajax's debt?

[SPL]

Less than £30m but I am sure Ko will likely know more!!

Barca were £420m in the red before Villa signed and Real must be twice that !

Back To Suarez I see Valencia may go for him if they sell Silva also. I do not really see them as a big team and did they not have debts of hundreds of millions??

[Rooie]

Ajax' debt = €0. Ajax is losing money though, so sooner or later we'll have debts (if nothing changes).