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Back in 2008 some idiot gave him an extension to 2011 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What a surprise: tonight's match (Young AGOVV/Vitesse vs Young Ajax) has been called off due to the snowfall.
It's snowing again, as we speak. Will it ever stop? Kind of fed up with it, to be honest...
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It's snowing again, as we speak. Will it ever stop? Kind of fed up with it, to be honest...
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Love this global warming !! This 26 degree weather has me sweating profusely ! 

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Currently playing Jong Heerenveen/Emmen and it is 2-2 , not sure of scorers.
Starting lineup
Vermeer
Ogararu, Wieleart , Kappelhof,Will
Overtoom, Eriksen, Aissati
Kennedy, Suk, Sulejmani .
subs used show Castillion and Lazic for Wielaert and Kennedy in the second half and Bonevacia for Will, who appears to have gone off with a knee injury.
for the record the 4unused subs are Padt, Aslan, Sousa Campos and Claasen
Starting lineup
Vermeer
Ogararu, Wieleart , Kappelhof,Will
Overtoom, Eriksen, Aissati
Kennedy, Suk, Sulejmani .
subs used show Castillion and Lazic for Wielaert and Kennedy in the second half and Bonevacia for Will, who appears to have gone off with a knee injury.
for the record the 4unused subs are Padt, Aslan, Sousa Campos and Claasen
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Sulejmani and Suk scored for Ajax. Ajax actually overclassed Heerenveen (certainly in the 2nd half), but errors by the defense (Wielaert especially) made Ajax pay the price. Eriksen and Suk as highlights for Ajax.
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Had just seen it finished 2-2 with Sulejmani and Suk scoring .
Benji sums it up Wielaert makes mistakes.
And 16m Sulejmani plays for the reserves.
Benji sums it up Wielaert makes mistakes.
And 16m Sulejmani plays for the reserves.
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Benji I notice several of you post on the dutch site for the Jong game . What do you think of us playing Ogararu, Wielaert and Kennedy when the Jong players are mainly subs or not even picked.
NB Contracted Jong players not even subs tonight
Bizot
V d Meulen Supusepa Shakison
Candan, Martina, Jongebloet and Ozbiliz,
(Ze Eduardo is an A1 player at present)
NB Contracted Jong players not even subs tonight
Bizot
V d Meulen Supusepa Shakison
Candan, Martina, Jongebloet and Ozbiliz,
(Ze Eduardo is an A1 player at present)
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Well, the sooner we get rid of these 'senior' players the better, it isn't my choice to let them have play time.
In other perspective, most of these contracted youth players are also on a dead end.
In other perspective, most of these contracted youth players are also on a dead end.
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Thanks Benji . I do not see many current Jong players making it and think there will be a clear out in the summer.
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Do we have any indication which ones will? Catillion was highly rated but now seems behind Suk who just showed up one day! We seem to place enough players on the youth national sides but their progression seems to end there. Historically we seem to get one or sometimes two players from each youth class who make it through (some should have stayed with the club like Robbie Schilder who in my mind is a decent enough right back). The difficulty is that those who are outstanding players only stay with the club for a maximum of five years before moving on (Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Heitinga, etc.). This being the case, getting one player through isn't going to keep the team replenished and it forces us into the transfer market (where as we all know success is fleeting; or in our case almost non-existent).SPL schreef:Thanks Benji . I do not see many current Jong players making it and think there will be a clear out in the summer.
Would welcome those across the ocean from me to give some perspective on which players could progress. I'm snowbound again for the fifth day here in the Washington DC area and looking forward to the English Premier matches on TV later today!!!
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Yes , can some of you dutch guys , who do know what's going on in the youth /Jong side give us their
thoughts!!
I follow closely who plays and who is under contract and do enjoy watching the 5 min highlights of A1 and Jong on Ajax tv but that counts for nothing.(I cannot read your threads even though I understand some dutch but one of you obviously attends A1 games because they give a breakdown of all our players tha day )
At present we have a record no. of 20 contracted youths . given that 6 are in the B1 and one is in his second year at A2 level that leaves 13 all playing in the A1. Well I include Ze Eduardo who is playing in the A1 and count Boilesen as No 13 but he hasn't played yet due to injury.Ligeon is playing regularly and should get a contract also .
In addition Bizot Bonevacia and Castillion are all in the Jong squad but have played some A1 games this season.
Thus most of these 17 will make up the Jong squad next season which is why I say the majority of current Jong will go .
Those who are getting very little playing time are almost certain to go ie Aslan, Supusepa ,Shakison , although all 3 have had injuries this season.Candan Jongebloet will go plus players like Danilo, Will, Claasen and Lazic are all in their second year at Jong level and do not appear to making headway at present .These 9 are out of contract this June , although Claasen has a 2 year option .
Anyway , sorry for going on .
Lets hear what the real experts from our dutch site have to say .
thoughts!!
I follow closely who plays and who is under contract and do enjoy watching the 5 min highlights of A1 and Jong on Ajax tv but that counts for nothing.(I cannot read your threads even though I understand some dutch but one of you obviously attends A1 games because they give a breakdown of all our players tha day )
At present we have a record no. of 20 contracted youths . given that 6 are in the B1 and one is in his second year at A2 level that leaves 13 all playing in the A1. Well I include Ze Eduardo who is playing in the A1 and count Boilesen as No 13 but he hasn't played yet due to injury.Ligeon is playing regularly and should get a contract also .
In addition Bizot Bonevacia and Castillion are all in the Jong squad but have played some A1 games this season.
Thus most of these 17 will make up the Jong squad next season which is why I say the majority of current Jong will go .
Those who are getting very little playing time are almost certain to go ie Aslan, Supusepa ,Shakison , although all 3 have had injuries this season.Candan Jongebloet will go plus players like Danilo, Will, Claasen and Lazic are all in their second year at Jong level and do not appear to making headway at present .These 9 are out of contract this June , although Claasen has a 2 year option .
Anyway , sorry for going on .
Lets hear what the real experts from our dutch site have to say .
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Rik vd Boog recently stated that Ajax has given too many youth contracts in the past couple of years, they want to reduce it to a maximum of 3 youth contracts a year. Youth players should be playing at Ajax because they want to, not because they get paid.
Out of contract youth players will be released, those Jong Ajax players don't have a future at Ajax.
Besides, some highlights from yesterday's game against Jong Heerenveen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbgQPGNYgY
Some brilliant football by Eriksen
Out of contract youth players will be released, those Jong Ajax players don't have a future at Ajax.
Besides, some highlights from yesterday's game against Jong Heerenveen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbgQPGNYgY
Some brilliant football by Eriksen
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Thanks SPL and Benji, very helpful. I watched the Jong Ajax clip and it confirms to me that Eriksen is the real deal. I suspect he will see more playing time with the senior team moving forward. Suk also had some good moments as well.
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Thanks Benji .
Up until 2007 summer the only youths given contracts were those aged 19 and were finishing at youth level and were to become Jong players.
In 2008 , mainly to stop the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea stealing them , we put 11 of that years U17's under contract ie Castillion Sneijder etc. 9 of that 11 are in the second year of their 3 year contracts and are still playing A1 footy .
In 2009 we gave 6 of the B1 team contracts but they too have a max 3 years of youth footy ahead of them .
It appears that in future Ajax only want to put 3 such players under contract ie those with exceptional talent or being touted by english clubs .They obviously want to return to giving youngters contracts only when they are to move up to the Jong team.
I see 3 more of our B1 youths played for Dutch U17's this week and they may expect contracts this summer. At the current U 16 level we only had 3 playing for the Dutch U 16's this week .
Up until 2007 summer the only youths given contracts were those aged 19 and were finishing at youth level and were to become Jong players.
In 2008 , mainly to stop the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea stealing them , we put 11 of that years U17's under contract ie Castillion Sneijder etc. 9 of that 11 are in the second year of their 3 year contracts and are still playing A1 footy .
In 2009 we gave 6 of the B1 team contracts but they too have a max 3 years of youth footy ahead of them .
It appears that in future Ajax only want to put 3 such players under contract ie those with exceptional talent or being touted by english clubs .They obviously want to return to giving youngters contracts only when they are to move up to the Jong team.
I see 3 more of our B1 youths played for Dutch U17's this week and they may expect contracts this summer. At the current U 16 level we only had 3 playing for the Dutch U 16's this week .
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Just to correct myself in 2009 we gave contracts to 6 of the B2 team ie last seasons U16's . They are now in the B1 team with 2 further seasons of youth ahead of them .
Castillion Bonevacia etc were a year older when they got their contracts in 2008 ie they had been B1 team U17's in the previous season.
Thus last summer we gave contracts to an even younger age group.
Castillion Bonevacia etc were a year older when they got their contracts in 2008 ie they had been B1 team U17's in the previous season.
Thus last summer we gave contracts to an even younger age group.
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I suppose on this occasion it made sense to play Wielaert and see how he fares in a match situation. With our 2 first choice central defenders unavailable for the forthcoming game against Herenveen and the possibility of Wielaert being called into action is it not better he makes an arse of himself for Jong Ajax rather than playing him on Saturday and costing us dearly. Jol can now finalise plans for the game on Saturday without having to consider Wielaert.Benji schreef:Well, the sooner we get rid of these 'senior' players the better, it isn't my choice to let them have play time.
In other perspective, most of these contracted youth players are also on a dead end.
Whilst I agree that Jong Ajax should be made up of youth players, there will be occasions where it makes sense to play senior players at this level before throwing them into first team action. Examples being where a player is recovering from injury, where a 1st squad player has not played but will be required to be brought into action in near future or a player returning from lengthy suspension. To me it makes sense to give them match experience at this level than throwing them straight into a first team game with a lack of match practice.
Overall, Ajax are carrying too much dead wood at both senior level and on the youth side, I think this summer we need to have a very big clearout, forcibly in some cases by buying out contracts. The club cannot continue carrying excess baggage at any level, something we have been doing for too many years.
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Sorry but does this not contradict what you are saying on other threads where you would rather see the Ajax first team full of Jong Ajax players. I watched Jong Ajax a few times earlier in the season and apart from the standout players who have now moved on up there was one lot of dross playing there too.SPL schreef:Thanks Benji . I do not see many current Jong players making it and think there will be a clear out in the summer.
If a player is not good enough for Jong Ajax then he is sure as hell aint worth a first team place either.
As I stated in previous posts the club has been mismanaged for a number of year both at senior and youth levels, and unfortunately Martin Jol is the man left with the consequences. Hopefully after his first year in charge he will take the knife to the right areas and trim all the fat out of the club and we can look forward to a better run club at all levels.
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I said we should play mainly Ajax youth because we have won nothing for 5 years and are now finishing 3rd and not even getting into the CL . Instead of spending money on second rate players we may as well play are own . BUT I do agree they have to be up to it. I quess I have got carried away by our back 4 being from the youth and doing alot better than the second raters we bought in .
I agree first team players who have been injured or out of the team do need to play the odd Jong game
and given the current injuries and suspensions Wielaert needed to play Tuesday night.
It does appear clear that most of this seasons Jong are not up to it and have been given contracts just for the sake of it. The fact that alot of them are not getting games makes it more stupid that the club gave them contracts.
Permit me to give some examples
Back in July Overtoom and Candan were given 1 year contracts and the next month loaned to Haarlem.
Why on earth were they given contracts ?
Ozbiliz has a 2 year contract but last season when not injured he hardly featured in the senior A1 team. He has been injured this season and still has a year to go .Some players mature later but why give a 2 year contract to someone who has not even been an A1 player and has a poor injury record.
I say we will need a clear out because of the amount of current A1 players under contract who will need to play for the Jong next season.
We must not in future give away loads of contracts to Jong players and then don't play them like we are doing this season.
I am sure next year will see a lot smaller first team squad and Jong squad .
I agree first team players who have been injured or out of the team do need to play the odd Jong game
and given the current injuries and suspensions Wielaert needed to play Tuesday night.
It does appear clear that most of this seasons Jong are not up to it and have been given contracts just for the sake of it. The fact that alot of them are not getting games makes it more stupid that the club gave them contracts.
Permit me to give some examples
Back in July Overtoom and Candan were given 1 year contracts and the next month loaned to Haarlem.
Why on earth were they given contracts ?
Ozbiliz has a 2 year contract but last season when not injured he hardly featured in the senior A1 team. He has been injured this season and still has a year to go .Some players mature later but why give a 2 year contract to someone who has not even been an A1 player and has a poor injury record.
I say we will need a clear out because of the amount of current A1 players under contract who will need to play for the Jong next season.
We must not in future give away loads of contracts to Jong players and then don't play them like we are doing this season.
I am sure next year will see a lot smaller first team squad and Jong squad .
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One of the reasons for the contracts to untried youth was the fear that they would be lost to teams in England and Spain before they had a chance to demonstrate their true abilities. Of course the economics of football have changed dramatically over the past year and will continue as escaping the current recession will be difficult in the short term. The figuring of the old management was that the expenditure of a small salaries (I don't know what the true amount is and it probably does add up when you look at the large number of Jong under contract) was worth it if they progressed. However, this proposition is predicated on increased money flowing from CL football (which hasn't been a reality for several years now). As was noted, Jol now has to live within new fiscal constraints that Van Basten and predecessors did not. I think he is up to the task and is a good judge of talent. It will indeed be interesting during the off season to see what changes in terms of personnel. We have some players out on loan right now that may be marginal (Bodul, Donald) and may be gone. We will have to take some short term losses on personnel in return for long term prosperity. It will be a different business model moving forward.
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We are playing Jong Az and leading 1-0 Suk scored
Padt
Ogararu, Bonevacia, Kappelhof,Supusepa,
Overtoom, Claasen Aissati
Kennedy , Suk , Lazic.
subs listed Bizot , Aslan, Danilo, Ozbiliz Shakison ,Zeegelaar .
I usual look at Ajaxshowtime as they list the team and up date scores but my anti virus blocks the site
because it has potential viruses .
So I am cheating and thanks to my new found 21st invention ie Google translation I can now read what you Dutch guys are talking about . So the above is taken from them.
Padt
Ogararu, Bonevacia, Kappelhof,Supusepa,
Overtoom, Claasen Aissati
Kennedy , Suk , Lazic.
subs listed Bizot , Aslan, Danilo, Ozbiliz Shakison ,Zeegelaar .
I usual look at Ajaxshowtime as they list the team and up date scores but my anti virus blocks the site
because it has potential viruses .
So I am cheating and thanks to my new found 21st invention ie Google translation I can now read what you Dutch guys are talking about . So the above is taken from them.
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we lost 3-2 Ozbiliz scored the second but they won with a late goal .
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Table now
Sparta 18 played 33 points
PSV 16 31
AZ 18 29
Ajax 16 28
Vitesse 16 28
So we have 2 games in hand on Sparta but have lost ground with this defeat as PSV are in a better position .
To complete minor details of the game subs used Shakison for Supusepa , Ozbiliz for Kennedy and Danilo for Lazic . So 10 out of 19 Jong players got playing time.
Not sure why Castillion was not playing .His last game was Saturday before last for our A1 team in a friendly .How is he going to improve still playing for the youth !!!!
Kennedy only got 45 mins,which is fair enough as I suppose he will be back on the subs bench in Turin . With Oleguer fit again Ogararu can now join Wielaert out of the first team squad and not needed. Hopefully they wont get too many more Jong games.
Sparta 18 played 33 points
PSV 16 31
AZ 18 29
Ajax 16 28
Vitesse 16 28
So we have 2 games in hand on Sparta but have lost ground with this defeat as PSV are in a better position .
To complete minor details of the game subs used Shakison for Supusepa , Ozbiliz for Kennedy and Danilo for Lazic . So 10 out of 19 Jong players got playing time.
Not sure why Castillion was not playing .His last game was Saturday before last for our A1 team in a friendly .How is he going to improve still playing for the youth !!!!
Kennedy only got 45 mins,which is fair enough as I suppose he will be back on the subs bench in Turin . With Oleguer fit again Ogararu can now join Wielaert out of the first team squad and not needed. Hopefully they wont get too many more Jong games.
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Peter Huistra the Jong coach said today that Zeegelaar is not working hard enough to warrant being played. Last season he was given a first team game v Volendam in the cup when just 18 and did not have a contract but I get the feeling now he has a contract and started the season in the first team he feels he has made it .
He is now one of the 19 official Jong players and has a contract to 2011 . Six others have also which suggests these 7 will be here next season but imo Zeegelaar, Padt, V d Meulen and even Ozbiliz will all go out on loan . The other 3 with contracts to 2011 Bizot Castillion and Bonevacia are all still playing some A1 youth games so should all be regulars at Jong level next season .
As for the 12 whose contracts run out this summer or have options Ajax have to make decisions by the end of March . Given that 13 A1 youth players have contracts and will be up to Jong level next season I do not see many of these 12 getting extensions .
My thoughts on those 12 with contracts finishing this June are as follows.
Martina will go plus all those in their 2nd year as Jong ie Supusepa,Aslan Will Jongebloet Danilo and
Lazic . Claasen the SA will also likely go but he has a 2 year option so Ajax may give him another year and send him out on loan.
Of the 4 current first years Candan will go leaving decisions on just 3 . Defenders Kappelhof Shakison and mf Overtoom . Ajax have 1 year options on all 3 but with loads of defenders in the A1 and the club swamped with Midfielders I would not put money on these 3 being retained.
He is now one of the 19 official Jong players and has a contract to 2011 . Six others have also which suggests these 7 will be here next season but imo Zeegelaar, Padt, V d Meulen and even Ozbiliz will all go out on loan . The other 3 with contracts to 2011 Bizot Castillion and Bonevacia are all still playing some A1 youth games so should all be regulars at Jong level next season .
As for the 12 whose contracts run out this summer or have options Ajax have to make decisions by the end of March . Given that 13 A1 youth players have contracts and will be up to Jong level next season I do not see many of these 12 getting extensions .
My thoughts on those 12 with contracts finishing this June are as follows.
Martina will go plus all those in their 2nd year as Jong ie Supusepa,Aslan Will Jongebloet Danilo and
Lazic . Claasen the SA will also likely go but he has a 2 year option so Ajax may give him another year and send him out on loan.
Of the 4 current first years Candan will go leaving decisions on just 3 . Defenders Kappelhof Shakison and mf Overtoom . Ajax have 1 year options on all 3 but with loads of defenders in the A1 and the club swamped with Midfielders I would not put money on these 3 being retained.
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Yesterday the Jong beat Jong Sparta 1-0 in afriendly .No league game this week .Jongebloet scored the only goal .
The team was
Verhoeven
Aslan VdMeulen, Shakison Supusepa(Kappelhof 3mins )
Candan Aissati Danilo
Martina Jongebloet Zeegelaar
Apart from Verhoeven and Aissati the other 9 starters are all Jong players who are getting very little playing time.I do not think any of these 9 will be here next season.
The team was
Verhoeven
Aslan VdMeulen, Shakison Supusepa(Kappelhof 3mins )
Candan Aissati Danilo
Martina Jongebloet Zeegelaar
Apart from Verhoeven and Aissati the other 9 starters are all Jong players who are getting very little playing time.I do not think any of these 9 will be here next season.