New Players for Ajax

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do dec 04, 2008 7:03 pm

Just to add that Lindgren came through our youth sold to Groningen for nothing and we then pay 2m euros for him . Same with Sno.

I still think we some good youth but they need first team experience and loans should be the answer. Anita, deJong Sarpong and Martina should all have had aseason with another club and I am sure would develop quicker.

Back to the 2 northern Dutch teams they do seem to pick up plenty of talent in Scandanavia .We should be looking there more and I agree with scouting in Belgium more.

All the youngsters we have signed from that country in recent years came from Antwerp and in fact from Germinal Beerschot to be exact.The only Belgium not from there is Danilo Sousa Campos , who I believe has lived many years in Amsterdam but is Belgium due to his Dad Wamberto taking Belgium nationality.

It is about time our scouts went to Brussels Ghent and Brugge and even Liege.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » do dec 04, 2008 9:28 pm

SPL schreef:It is about time our scouts went to Brussels Ghent and Brugge and even Liege.

Where they will find one Oguchi Onyewu. He would be an excellent partner to Oleguer in midfield, but I don't think he'd want to come to Ajax.

Frans · Bericht door **Frans** » vr dec 05, 2008 5:40 am

SPL schreef:Just to add that Lindgren came through our youth sold to Groningen for nothing and we then pay 2m euros for him . Same with Sno.

I still think we some good youth but they need first team experience and loans should be the answer. Anita, deJong Sarpong and Martina should all have had aseason with another club and I am sure would develop quicker.

Also worth remembering that Vertonghen and Vermaelen both went out on loan and are now first choice players, and Vermeer also had time out on loan.

Of course some go out on loan and still don't crack it, eg Poepon, though I think he's now Sparta's top scorer. We'll probably buy him back in a couple of years.

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » vr dec 05, 2008 1:07 pm

aveslacker schreef:
SPL schreef:It is about time our scouts went to Brussels Ghent and Brugge and even Liege.
Where they will find one Oguchi Onyewu. He would be an excellent partner to Oleguer in midfield, but I don't think he'd want to come to Ajax.

By the way their is this little Venezuelan chap called Ronald Vargas thats playing with Brugge, he's one of the most talented prospects in Venezuelan football and is already a starter in Belgium....he became the first Venezuelan player to score in a uefa cup match. he's the real deal....the perfect midfielder we so badly need.

cdnajaxfan · Bericht door **cdnajaxfan** » vr dec 05, 2008 1:42 pm

I agree about all of our players coming from the other Dutch teams. They are now catching on and charging us a tidy sum for them. We need to find these guys before the other teams grab them.

I may kick myself for mentioning him because I don't want them to lose him but he is going to go a top European team anyway and it may as well be to Ajax.

There is an awesome defender with more speed and stamina than I have seen who plays for Toronto FC called Marvel Wynne. He would be a perfect fit for Ajax in that he is an attacking back who can get back in a hurry to defend. He would come at a very reasonalbe price, like 4 million US dollars. He can even play a midfield role.

However we also desparately need a forward. Obviously, they have a replacement lined up or they never would have let KJH go to Real right now.

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » vr dec 05, 2008 3:02 pm

cdnajaxfan schreef:I may kick myself for mentioning him because I don't want them to lose him but he is going to go a top European team anyway and it may as well be to Ajax.

There is an awesome defender with more speed and stamina than I have seen who plays for Toronto FC called Marvel Wynne. He would be a perfect fit for Ajax in that he is an attacking back who can get back in a hurry to defend. He would come at a very reasonalbe price, like 4 million US dollars. He can even play a midfield role.

I will take a contrary view of Wynne. He is a superb athlete with great speed. Unfortunately his on ball skills and defensive positioning are suspect. He really needs a lot of work and I don't think is ready for first team football with Ajax. At this point in his career, I don't think he could displace van der Wiel at right fullback. I believe he played on the Olympic team that lost to the Oranje this past summer.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » vr dec 05, 2008 3:29 pm

Orange14 schreef:
cdnajaxfan schreef:I may kick myself for mentioning him because I don't want them to lose him but he is going to go a top European team anyway and it may as well be to Ajax.

There is an awesome defender with more speed and stamina than I have seen who plays for Toronto FC called Marvel Wynne. He would be a perfect fit for Ajax in that he is an attacking back who can get back in a hurry to defend. He would come at a very reasonalbe price, like 4 million US dollars. He can even play a midfield role.
I will take a contrary view of Wynne. He is a superb athlete with great speed. Unfortunately his on ball skills and defensive positioning are suspect. He really needs a lot of work and I don't think is ready for first team football with Ajax. At this point in his career, I don't think he could displace van der Wiel at right fullback. I believe he played on the Olympic team that lost to the Oranje this past summer.

Wynne has the athletic ability to be a star but, like many defenders, he still has a lot to learn about positioning. Plus, his technical ability needs improvement as well. But he's only like 20 years old or so, isn't he?

I wouldn't mind seeing Ajax sign him, but he would be a developmental project, I think.

bluedaddy19 · Bericht door **bluedaddy19** » vr dec 05, 2008 5:24 pm

I would tell you Wynne has and continues to improve very, very rapidly on his positioning and technical skills. The part of his game that doesn't seem to be improving so quickly is his crossing.

And..... believe it or don't, but we are now being linked with Podolski. That would be SWEEEEET...

But I don't think I believe it.

gordonvandekamp · Bericht door **gordonvandekamp** » vr dec 05, 2008 5:58 pm

I think Podolski would be a good fit, but I don't ever see it happening. He's looking to move up and I don't think he would thinking coming to Ajax is in fact that.

I'm sure we'd have to pay a fortune for him anyway.

Apparently Ajax isn't looking to buy a Huntelaar replacement now and will give Cvitanich a chance. From the article: http://www.goal.com/en/news/1686/erediv ... ax-for-now

I like the following:

"We anticipated Huntelaar's transfer last summer already when we bought Dario [Cvitanich]. We would lose our credibility if we sign another replacement now," said technical director Danny Blind to Het Parool.

"Furthermore, we have two very talented strikers in our reserves and youth academy with Darko Bodul and Geoffrey Castillion. However, it's always hard to say if they'll make it to the senior side."

Umm, Danny, didn't you lose credibility by not purchasing any proper defenders?

LucaS · Bericht door **LucaS** » vr dec 05, 2008 7:21 pm

No, he didn't. As a matter of fact our defense is quite solid this year

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » vr dec 05, 2008 8:38 pm

I agree with Danny Blind's thinking but if we do not sign another striker and Cvitanich gets injured again we are left with Bodul or playing Suarez or Leonardo in the centre. We are missing a proper striker at present with KJH out and as much as I like Suarez he is not a central attacker.

gordonvandekamp · Bericht door **gordonvandekamp** » za dec 06, 2008 1:13 am

LucaS schreef:No, he didn't. As a matter of fact our defense is quite solid this year

I'm still not convinced of that, the season's not even half over. It's been an improvement and signing Oleguer helped, but I still think we can and should do better.

The Purple Cow · Bericht door **The Purple Cow** » za dec 06, 2008 8:42 pm

Our defensive record is the worst of any team in the Top 7.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » za dec 06, 2008 9:13 pm

Ex-aequo with PSV now...

(ok, they have 1 game more but it's not finished, Grunn can still score hopefully)

Too bad there was this accident in Heerenveen, otherwise our defensive record would be quite good.

Ajaxfanuk · Bericht door **Ajaxfanuk** » zo dec 07, 2008 1:36 pm

Sad to see KJH go and depressingly Suarez will probably go in the summer. Here is an interesting idea (albeit one that will never become a reality) but we should bid on someone like AZ's Ari, good goalscorer, not as injury prone as el hamadoui and if we have him then AZ don't :D

Fall looks pretty decent

We should just stop selling, keep the good players regain our reputation and retake our rightful place at the top

cdnajaxfan · Bericht door **cdnajaxfan** » ma dec 08, 2008 5:33 pm

Cvitanich had better bone up on his protein at those Argentinian Steakhouses to fight off injury!

I'm not so sure about his guy and it sounds like Blind isn't either by his statements. Going with him to just to save face when we have a chance to win the league and get auto qualification into the Champions League is a big gamble! Not one that I would make and I don't think it is the right one.

Speaking of Argentine Strikers, maybe we could get Crespo on loan? All those Argentinian Steakhouses would make him and his wife fell like they were at home!

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » ma dec 08, 2008 7:42 pm

Rumours here state Vennegoor of Hesslink is interesting us! Another Dutch site stated Bojan of Barcelona may come on loan.

Cvitanich will get the chance but he did not impress me yesterday.Probably
not fair to judge him on that as the only attacking player who would get in my team at present is Suarez.

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » ma dec 08, 2008 8:27 pm

Rather see Bojan Krkic than an older, injury prone Vennegoor of Hesselink.

Van basten · Bericht door **Van basten** » ma dec 08, 2008 8:36 pm

Blind3 schreef:Rather see Bojan Krkic than an older, injury prone Vennegoor of Hesselink.

I don't think, that there is anyone in the world, who could choose Hesselink rather then Bojan

I don't think, that it's possible that Bojan will come for us on loan, and i really don't want to see Hesselink in our team.

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » di dec 09, 2008 2:08 am

Johan Derksen linking us with Jack Tuyp ? Even as a ridiculous rumour, this gives me indigestion

jamcocteau · Bericht door **jamcocteau** » di dec 09, 2008 9:50 am

Other rumour today is Babel back on loan from Liverpool -WTF

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » di dec 09, 2008 9:54 am

jamcocteau schreef:Other rumour today is Babel back on loan from Liverpool -WTF

What the?

Although I was one of the minority that thought Babel was a half decent player...

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » di dec 09, 2008 10:01 am

The Dutch press reports that Ajax want Babel but Liverpool would not let him go.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » di dec 09, 2008 10:02 am

jamcocteau schreef:Other rumour today is Babel back on loan from Liverpool -WTF

Ain't gonna happen.

The story itself is true. In fact, it was Ryan Babel himself who brought it up, reportedly. He is unhappy, because he spends so much time on the bench. He asked his agent to talk to the club, and suggest that he could be loaned out to Ajax. But Benitez said no. He wants to keep Babel at Anfield.

Would have been a nice one.

In the Dutch zones here on Ajax Talk people were talking about Frankenstein of Hesselink, but also about our good mate Mido...

K.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » di dec 09, 2008 11:40 am

Babel? Vennegoor? Tuyp? Mido?

It can't be serious, right?