Ajax Coaches

orange goblin · Bericht door **orange goblin** » wo okt 10, 2007 1:10 pm

yeah, in my opinion capello is the best coach ever. ever.
but first: he is not ajax material (4-4-2, italian football culture, opportunistic, defensive play)
and second, much more important: he is sickly attached to money, which we cant'afford to pay him

my men: adriaanse or beenhakker or hiddink. no way. I would love also to have morten olsen back. he really has an ajax culture and believes in 4-3-3, dominant football, wingers and so on... but no-one talks 'bout him.

Over Pasanens Head · Bericht door **Over Pasanens Head** » wo okt 10, 2007 1:21 pm

All of this talk of a new coach in the summer might be a bit premature if Adrie Koster steps up to the plate and does a great job between now and the end of the season.

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » wo okt 10, 2007 1:27 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:
LucaS schreef:Adriaanse told the dutch television he wants to be Ajax next coach
Come on Ajax, ignore that rancorous old fart J.C. and bring Co back.

We need Louis van Gaal, Co Adriaanse, Foppe de Haan or otherwise a foreigner like Michael Laudrup!

Who gives a f*ck about what J.C. has to say about them?

Great footballer, great coach, great Ajacied, but now it's time to say goodbye.

K.

Agree Menno. JC (with all respect to a true legend) should keep out of it. Just because he likes someone doesn't make them the right coach. Hey here's a thought, if you have so much to say, get in there and do it yourself...

Apologies if I upset anyone...

JohnyAjax · Bericht door **JohnyAjax** » wo okt 10, 2007 2:59 pm

For now, I have faith in our new coach, Adrie Koster. Even though he is not familliar to most of us his experience in Holland should be enough and as long as he keeps us tops of the Eredivisie i will believe in him. But if he doesn't, if he fucks up the season totally, then it's up to the board to act very very seriously and appoint a very good coach, one of these: Martin Jol, Co Adriansee, Marco van Basten, Jose Mourinho (a very hard job but they must try) Frank Rijkaard(hard too) van Gaal(if it all goes wrong in AZ and he changes his mind dramatically and decides to make a new start)

We must take a very good look at what did our rivals, F'word last summer: made impossible signings even when the club was 7th in the Eredivisie , and out of Europe. And take a look at Feyenoord now...

Our board must act better than them, and Ajax may slowly restore its big pride......

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » wo okt 10, 2007 3:32 pm

I'm glad someone brought up JC. That guy needs to be thanked for his service to Ajax, Holland and world sport, given a gold watch, and politely told to shut up.

Also, I don't really understand why everyone is clamoring for van Basten. In spite of his impressive record and a lot of talent, Oranje aren't playing beautiful soccer under him, he's pissed off many of his players, and he's shown himself to be a bit of a twat.

Why should Ajax want another combative, overrated manager?

Let's find someone who's a relative unknown but buys into the program and will be with Ajax for the long haul. Part of a comprehensive solution that looks to rebuild Ajax's youth system, expand the scouting network, and get Ajax back to the top of the fucking Eredivisie.

I nominate Ko.

Azeri · Bericht door **Azeri** » wo okt 10, 2007 5:14 pm

orange goblin schreef:yeah, in my opinion capello is the best coach ever. ever.
but first: he is not ajax material (4-4-2, italian football culture, opportunistic, defensive play)
and second, much more important: he is sickly attached to money, which we cant'afford to pay him

It's a mistake I think.
1. As for 4-4-2... you are right. But Capello's teams always were very plastic. Besides we already used 4-4-2 under Koeman, Blind etc.
2. Italian football culture? Only due to origin. Capello is a very progressive specialist and he can use various tactics
3. Defensive play? No. Remember Real? They defended and attacked. First of all Capello's teams always are very well balanced. And who says that we do not need to learn defending?

4. As for money... I think we can afford that. Expenditures for a coach are much less than for a good player.
And the last - Capello is a winner with a killer psychology... His team will never loose to Zagreb or Slavia

By the way forget Hiddink - tomorrow he signs a new contract with Russia Federation

JohnyAjax · Bericht door **JohnyAjax** » wo okt 10, 2007 6:48 pm

aveslacker schreef:
Why should Ajax want another combative, overrated manager?

Let's find someone who's a relative unknown but buys into the program and will be with Ajax for the long haul. Part of a comprehensive solution that looks to rebuild Ajax's youth system, expand the scouting network, and get Ajax back to the top of the fucking Eredivisie.

Okay everyone will be over the moon if we discover such a manager, but we stand a 95 percent chance of a further fuck up if we give a chance to such a guy.

And our board is way too conservative and they will hardly do such a thing.

So my opinion is that we need an experienced manager with some big experience in Europe. Yes, it does not have to be a big name but only these people know how to act in such a miserable situation, the one Ajax is in.

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » wo okt 10, 2007 8:03 pm

Well, I'm a bit late but I'll wish Adrie well - don't know a lot about him but that's no bar to him coming good.

This Cruyff thing. I really don't get it. Seems awfully similar to one Stanley Matthews esq at my other team Blackpool - a great ex-player but always seemed just that bit more attached to his other team (for Barcelona read Stoke City).

Anyway, I'm rambling. Cruyff is welcome at the ArenA I'm sure, let him have his box and that but coaching matters should not be his concern.

Per · Bericht door **Per** » wo okt 10, 2007 9:36 pm

Well,

I don't give a shit about what Cruyff thinks either as it appears that he nowadays appears to be making more a point about his own greatness and mind rather than having Ajax's best in mind.

Regardless of that, I definetly find Co as a very good option. As noted earlier in this thread, he is a coach I believe can stand up for an idea and to the board and follow through.

One thing on this above point is that this very thing may actually entail a quite bad season before everything starts going straight again. Is anyone on this board ready for that? if there's one thing that makes me sick about us Ajax fans (me included) it's the constant fucking moaning about coaches and players.

Nuff 'bout that. And now on to contributing to the very thing that I justr mentioned annoys me. Complain about player potential and quality.

Huntelaar Chelsea material?

Now, I'm not the most frequent viewer of Ajax. I might catch 10-15 games a season. I think I've seen 20 odd games with Huntelaar. IMO, there is not one single ability in his toolbox that is up to par with current centre forwards in Chelsea. He's an ok, even good, player on Eredivisie level. The guy can score. I see little improvement over the last two seasons though. I see very little potential and ability in technique.

So, random thoughts blurted out.

Thanks for listening.

Monkey Tonk · Bericht door **Monkey Tonk** » wo okt 10, 2007 10:20 pm

The way Cruijff reads the field, he has to roll his eyes at the present state of Ajax. I have no doubt he could have a positive impact with just a few instructions from the sideline.

Let's backtrack a little. The world would not have known 'Ajax' without Cruijff's influence, both as a player and as a coach (when he laid the foundation for the later successes reaped by van Gaal). Cruijff may be the biggest football genius ever to walk this earth. Without him there wouldn't have been total football! What this man has done for Dutch soccer is absolutely beyond belief. What else can a rare master do but shrug at the present state of mediocrity, from top to bottom, at Ajax? Cruijff showed us a magnificent palace of marble and gold. Now we're back to children in the sandbox, squabbling over scoops and a castle out of sand.

Ajax is a mess. That is fine. A good time to clean ship and start over. Will Ajax rise again like a Phoenix from its own ashes? Maybe. If we, the fans, want it enough. Let's not settle for mediocrity or embrace concepts like the Feyenoordesque 'new humility'. That is a misplace sense of loyalty. Let's keep demanding the very best. Let Ajax be the place where the fans, if not the board, remind the club of its identity and destiny: to always strive for the highest form of football. It is better to die trying than not to try at all. Let Ajax be the club where the fans, if not the board, set the bar unreasonably high. If we want it enough, if we demand it long and hard enough, it will be so.

ofey · Bericht door **ofey** » do okt 11, 2007 12:42 am

Since Johan has so much to say about this, why not invite him to coach the rest of the season? It's obvious that his beloved Ajax is in crisis and can do with abit of sorting out. He might help us OR might realise that "people in glass houses should NEVER throw stones".

I've long been extolling the merits of getting CoA back. He's a hard man and will whip this lot back into some semblance of a once great European power.

I know little about Koster and I hope he's right going forward (in the short term). The fact still remains we need someone big to come in and pound these numnuts we call Ajax into shape. I wish LVG would come back but I know that's NOT going to happen. Rijkaard would be nice but at this point, let's admit it (the board too) CoA is our most viable option.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » do okt 11, 2007 1:46 am

Just to be clear: when I said I wanted Ko, I meant Kowalczyk. No Adriaanse.

Just wanted to get that straight.

cdnajaxfan · Bericht door **cdnajaxfan** » do okt 11, 2007 11:13 pm

One thing is for sure, our new coach can't do worse than the last one! If he does, he at least has an excuse!

I don't think Capello would take the Ajax job firsdt of all. If we get Co or Johan or Marco, I don't care. They will be better than HTC. That is all I am asking for.

BTW, I love how the English press is making HTC look so great. It is kind of funny and amusing!

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » vr okt 12, 2007 9:05 am

cdnajaxfan schreef:One thing is for sure, our new coach can't do worse than the last one! If he does, he at least has an excuse!

Isn't it the same old story each time a coah leaves the club ?

The Purple Cow · Bericht door **The Purple Cow** » vr okt 12, 2007 11:09 am

"Van Basten was seen in the Chelsea owners box recently."

No he wasn't. He was seen at the Director's box at Old Trafford, sitting behind Abramovic. He was there as a guest of Manchester United, not Chelsea.

The Purple Cow · Bericht door **The Purple Cow** » vr okt 12, 2007 11:12 am

"Cruijff may be the biggest football genius ever to walk this earth. Without him there wouldn't have been total football!"

Cruijff was one of the top 10 best players of all time, and a reasonably successful coach, but let's not get carried away here.

He is, let us not forget, stark, staring mad.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr okt 12, 2007 11:27 am

The Purple Cow schreef:"Cruijff may be the biggest football genius ever to walk this earth. Without him there wouldn't have been total football!"

Cruijff was one of the top 10 best players of all time, and a reasonably successful coach, but let's not get carried away here.

He is, let us not forget, stark, staring mad.

Indeed.

Johan Cruijff has too many different agendas, too many quality people that he hates for no good reason (Van Gaal, Adriaanse, Van Nistelrooij), he is dogmatic, stubborn and always refuses to take responsibility for the two football teams he loves the most (Ajax and Oranje).

Time for Ajax to ignore the man.

Having said that: brilliant football player, great coach, fantastic Ajacied and a friendly chap in his own way. Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan, but the question is: how far should Ajax go to keep him as a friend? My personal answer: no further.

K.

carcajou · Bericht door **carcajou** » vr okt 12, 2007 3:22 pm

Kowalczyk schreef: Indeed.

Johan Cruijff has too many different agendas, too many quality people that he hates for no good reason (Van Gaal, Adriaanse, Van Nistelrooij), he is dogmatic, stubborn and always refuses to take responsibility for the two football teams he loves the most (Ajax and Oranje).

He seems to love Barcelona a lot more than Ajax these days... Just saying.

GangstaRiB · Bericht door **GangstaRiB** » vr okt 12, 2007 4:56 pm

carcajou schreef:
Kowalczyk schreef: Indeed.

Johan Cruijff has too many different agendas, too many quality people that he hates for no good reason (Van Gaal, Adriaanse, Van Nistelrooij), he is dogmatic, stubborn and always refuses to take responsibility for the two football teams he loves the most (Ajax and Oranje).
He seems to love Barcelona a lot more than Ajax these days... Just saying.

That's another thing. He lives in Barcelona. So he delivers all his critisism via his collum in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in Holland and Cruijff-minded). He just shouts from a distance and that's getting annoying, because it's always negative.

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » vr okt 12, 2007 6:14 pm

I suppose that this is worth posting as an end to the story.....

(from bbc website) "Ten Cate Compltes Chelsea Switch"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 040270.stm

carcajou · Bericht door **carcajou** » vr okt 12, 2007 8:51 pm

GangstaRiB schreef: That's another thing. He lives in Barcelona. So he delivers all his critisism via his collum in De Telegraaf (biggest newspaper in Holland and Cruijff-minded). He just shouts from a distance and that's getting annoying, because it's always negative.

Like Ko said somewhere, Cruijff reminds me Platini and Beckenbauer in a way that he likes to treat us with frequent comments and opinions (except that unlike them, as noted by Kowalczyk, he doesn't seem too keen on being in charge when things matter). Usually when he's lashing out, it's not exactly on point and no one really cares except for old-schoolers... But you can be SURE he'll always get a column whenever he decides to.

gordonvandekamp · Bericht door **gordonvandekamp** » vr okt 12, 2007 10:02 pm

Kowalczyk schreef: Indeed.

Johan Cruijff has too many different agendas, too many quality people that he hates for no good reason (Van Gaal, Adriaanse, Van Nistelrooij), he is dogmatic, stubborn and always refuses to take responsibility for the two football teams he loves the most (Ajax and Oranje).

Time for Ajax to ignore the man.

Having said that: brilliant football player, great coach, fantastic Ajacied and a friendly chap in his own way. Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan, but the question is: how far should Ajax go to keep him as a friend? My personal answer: no further.

K.

That's about the best I've seen it put. I totally agree. At this point, Ajax as a club needs to make a choice. If Cruijff has these great ideas, Ajax should put him in charge, otherwise tell him to shut it and they will follow their own direction. Basically put up or shut up. If all he is going to do is criticize from afar and they continue to try and appease him, that's not really doing the club much good.

I am a Cruijff fan, but like you, I agree there has to come a point when the club isn't worried about upsetting him, but more worried about their performances and if he is a distraction, cut him out to focus on the task at hand.

gordonvandekamp · Bericht door **gordonvandekamp** » vr okt 12, 2007 10:05 pm

Not sure if this should go here or another thread, but...

How much is Ajax getting from Chelsea for ten Cate? I haven't seen an actual figure anywhere, and being the nature of these things, may not. Any qualified estimates?

I guess I'm most curious, because it being Chelsea, I could only imagine the sum is somewhat substantial and could aid in winter transfers or next summer.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » vr okt 12, 2007 10:28 pm

According to The Sun (...), Chelsea payed between 900 000 and 1 million €.

rjf1 · Bericht door **rjf1** » do okt 18, 2007 12:53 pm

aveslacker schreef:Also, I don't really understand why everyone is clamoring for van Basten. In spite of his impressive record and a lot of talent, Oranje aren't playing beautiful soccer under him, he's pissed off many of his players, and he's shown himself to be a bit of a twat.

Why should Ajax want another combative, overrated manager?

My sentiments, exactly!

Adriaanse would be good -- but after the way he was treated by the Ajax board last time around, would he even want to come back?

RJF