New Players for Ajax

afckeeper95 · Bericht door **afckeeper95** » do apr 27, 2006 7:12 am

rahul9687 schreef:Why dont we look West...South America has some great players.......the US also has a few good players.....why can't we look over there? one example is Martin Palermo.Also, why do players go to Turkey and Greece for their last 2-3 years playing life? why can't Ajax try for a few of the good ones?

the size of the paycheck, maybe?

GangstaRiB · Bericht door **GangstaRiB** » do apr 27, 2006 8:31 am

The really super-talents are already contracted by the bigger club, like Madrid of Milan. They have far better connections, even psv has better connections in Brazil than Ajax.
Why there are not so many U.S players, i can't give you a reason. I don't know the level of skill in the U.S. It's a bit of a third world country when it comes to football.

Something else: if Ajax signs Ten Cate, there will be a chance that Davids will come with him. The Spurs hired Davids, so the Spurs have noting to say about him. Ten Cate is a huge fan of Davids. Last year, when Davids played a half year for Barca he did some good things. His passion and aggrression 'woke up' the players.

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » do apr 27, 2006 2:56 pm

GangstaRiB schreef: Why there are not so many U.S players, i can't give you a reason. I don't know the level of skill in the U.S. It's a bit of a third world country when it comes to football.

That's not as true as it used to be. The U.S. isn't quite on the level of England, Holland or the like, but they've closed the gap considerably in the last 10-15 years.

I'm personally a proponent of buying the better American players: they would likely come cheap, they're generally hard workers and very athletic, and if you buy them young enough, they can develop their skill significantly. Here's a list of American players that could conceivably do well at a club like Ajax:

Eddie Johnson F
Bobby Convey M
Landon Donovan M/F
Clint Dempsey M
Freddy Adu M
Eddie Pope D (He's not young, but he is good)
Oguchi Onyewu D

I'm sure there are a few more. I'm not saying these guys would all be stars, but they would be highly valuable relative to how little they would cost. Plus, as an American, I would love to see more US boys at Ajax.

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do apr 27, 2006 6:04 pm

Apart from one or 2 Danes it seems at the moment Ajax are only signing Dutch or Flemish Belgiums .

Mendes De Silva's name is quoted today at 3.5m Euros. It looks like the Dutch sites like to speculate like the English ones!!

rahul9687 · Bericht door **rahul9687** » do apr 27, 2006 8:45 pm

Why can't a big name player ever come back to Ajax? Cocu came back to PSV...see what he's done there.....Ruud says he also will go back....why the heck does no big name come here?

Ayman · Bericht door **Ayman** » do apr 27, 2006 9:59 pm

rahul9687 said:

Why can't a big name player ever come back to Ajax?

Dont worry, if Henk ten Cate comes back, Edgar Davids might come back.

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » za apr 29, 2006 5:52 pm

Litmanen came back :yes: , Kanu has spoken about a posible comeback, Van der Mayde would love to come back :D. Stam is not an ex-Ajacied but he is coming back to the eredivisie. See there's quite a number of player's add Davids and there's even more.

666 · Bericht door **666** » za apr 29, 2006 9:35 pm

And somewhat longer ago: Rijkaard, Cruijff, ...

orange goblin · Bericht door **orange goblin** » zo apr 30, 2006 9:52 am

it seems that we are near to Mendes Da Silva and Defour.
Opinions? I liked the first and I am happy he could have another chance with Ajax

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » zo apr 30, 2006 10:24 am

orange goblin schreef:it seems that we are near to Mendes Da Silva and Defour. Opinions? I liked the first and I am happy he could have another chance with Ajax

I have never heard of Defour and have absolutely no idea as to whether he's any good... I do know that he's very young (18), so there's a fair chance he won't be an immediate starter.

As for Mendes da Silva: he's a good player, always liked him, but it's a bit daft that we had him on loan with the option to sign him up for almost nothing... and two years later we're about to pay 2M for him...

Anyway, another rumour then! This is on the BBC website:

Liverpool will let Jan Kromkamp, signed in January in a Â£2m deal, move to Ajax for Â£3m. (Sunday Express)

The 'new Trabelsi'? I think it would be an excellent idea!

K.

Over Pasanens Head · Bericht door **Over Pasanens Head** » zo apr 30, 2006 11:13 am

Kowalczyk schreef:I have never heard of Defour and have absolutely no idea as to whether he's any good... I do know that he's very young (18), so there's a fair chance he won't be an immediate starter.

K.

This is what the guys are saying on the xtratime website:-

BTW where would you play him? He's a great talent (IMO worth the money), but just like Sonck I doub't he's fit for Ajax's system. I've only seen a few matches of Ajax recently and I can't seem to find anything that resembles a system. Defour could fit in the old role Litmanen had (closely behind the deep striker, making the openings towards the wingers), but is there such a position now?

nope, not really. But chances are we might return to that old fashioned 4-3-3 style next season. He might be used as a rm, our midfield would look something like this:
---Sneijder-----------------Defour---
----------------Maduro--------------
but i think that might be too offensive, it requires a lot of tracking back by the lm & rm. Not exactly Sneijder's forte, how is Defour at that?

By tracking you mean closing in on the player in possesion? Well he's quite good at that. Defour isn't the traditional 9.5 who only runs when he has the ball. He thinks defensively as well. Still, he's quite short and fragile, so you don't have to expect he will recuperate as many balls as let's say Maduro.

bryan · Bericht door **bryan** » zo apr 30, 2006 12:05 pm

If Kromkamp can't hack it at Villarreal or Liverpool, why should Ajax want him?

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » zo apr 30, 2006 1:07 pm

Give him a chance he has only been at Liverpool a few weeks and only half a season in Spain. Any player needs time to adjust in a new country.

As I said the other day we are only buying Dutch , and Flemish footballers.(plus a couple of Danes who have been in Dutch footy a while)

Do you guys agree with this policy ??

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » zo apr 30, 2006 1:19 pm

SPL schreef:Do you guys agree with this policy ??

Yes. If there are two options (of similar quality) and one of them is Dutch, we should go for the Dutchie.

In the case of Jan Kromkamp: I haven't followed him at Villarreal and Liverpool, but I know that I was always very impressed with him when he played for AZ. Excellent right fullback, with a similar forward drive as Trabelsi. I would have been in favour of buying him, even if he was Chinese.

K.

ZoefdeHaas · Bericht door **ZoefdeHaas** » zo apr 30, 2006 2:14 pm

EDIT: Zoef, I deleted the first sentence of your post. Hope you'll understand. Cheers, - K.

At Villarreal it was a cultural thing, he couldnt adjust. At Liverpool, is lack of impression, dats why he aint playing much.

dws · Bericht door **dws** » zo apr 30, 2006 4:08 pm

bryan schreef:If Kromkamp can't hack it at Villarreal or Liverpool, why should Ajax want him?

bryan, you suggest Spurs reserve Stephen Kelly as a potential full back for Ajax, but you dont view Kromkamp as good enough.

DrDuncan · Bericht door **DrDuncan** » zo apr 30, 2006 5:58 pm

ZoefdeHaas wrote

At Liverpool, is lack of impression, dats why he aint playing much.

Liverpool always saw him as backup for Steve Finnan. Much of his playing time has been out of position, e.g. in midfield. Kromkamp probably just hoped to have enough playing time this season to get picked for the World Cup squad. I think he would be happy to move on.[/b]

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » zo apr 30, 2006 6:22 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:
SPL schreef:Do you guys agree with this policy ??
Yes. If there are two options (of similar quality) and one of them is Dutch, we should go for the Dutchie.

In the case of Jan Kromkamp: I haven't followed him at Villarreal and Liverpool, but I know that I was always very impressed with him when he played for AZ. Excellent right fullback, with a similar forward drive as Trabelsi. I would have been in favour of buying him, even if he was Chinese.

K.

Very well said Ko and that is the exact same reason Kromkamp has not been playing a whole lot. Both Villareal and Liverpool prefer using players from there own country, Javi Venta plays right back in Villareal and Finnan(Yeah he's irish but he is from the UK ;) ) at Liverpool. We should apply the same philosophy i'm all for Kromkamp returning to the Netherlands :xyxthumbs:

Over Pasanens Head · Bericht door **Over Pasanens Head** » zo apr 30, 2006 9:16 pm

Venezuelan Ajacied schreef: Both Villareal and Liverpool prefer using players from there own country

Isn't the majority of the Villareal team from Argentina and a high proportion of Liverpool's from around the world?

bryan · Bericht door **bryan** » zo apr 30, 2006 9:21 pm

dws schreef:
bryan schreef:If Kromkamp can't hack it at Villarreal or Liverpool, why should Ajax want him?
bryan, you suggest Spurs reserve Stephen Kelly as a potential full back for Ajax, but you dont view Kromkamp as good enough.

hehehe, good point :D

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » zo apr 30, 2006 10:42 pm

bryan schreef:
dws schreef:
bryan schreef:If Kromkamp can't hack it at Villarreal or Liverpool, why should Ajax want him?
bryan, you suggest Spurs reserve Stephen Kelly as a potential full back for Ajax, but you dont view Kromkamp as good enough.
hehehe, good point :D

I think it might be due to the colour of the shirt he wears on international duty ;)

bryan · Bericht door **bryan** » zo apr 30, 2006 11:07 pm

well, kelly is a bit younger, so there's a bit more potential in him. and he has yet to have a failed transfer, kromkamp has had two so far

but yeah, liverpool reserve vs spurs reserve, not much between them. i was a bit quick to dismiss kromkamp. kelly might work out cheaper though

rahul9687 · Bericht door **rahul9687** » ma mei 01, 2006 8:05 am

I don't really agree with this Dutch/Flemish policy....a good player is a good player....whether he is from Argentina or Arabia.......we should look for the best player we can possibly have in a position...not his nationality...all the big clubs do this and that is why they succeed.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma mei 01, 2006 10:21 am

rahul9687 schreef:I don't really agree with this Dutch/Flemish policy....a good player is a good player....whether he is from Argentina or Arabia.......we should look for the best player we can possibly have in a position...not his nationality...all the big clubs do this and that is why they succeed.

That's why I said: if there are two options of similar quality, Ajax should go for the Dutchie. Also, Ajax scouts should primarily focus on the Dutch market. If there is no Dutchie of the required quality, then of course they must sign a non-Dutch player.

K.

Feest · Bericht door **Feest** » ma mei 01, 2006 11:23 am

Kowalczyk schreef:
rahul9687 schreef:I don't really agree with this Dutch/Flemish policy....a good player is a good player....whether he is from Argentina or Arabia.......we should look for the best player we can possibly have in a position...not his nationality...all the big clubs do this and that is why they succeed.
That's why I said: if there are two options of similar quality, Ajax should go for the Dutchie. Also, Ajax scouts should primarily focus on the Dutch market. If there is no Dutchie of the required quality, then of course they must sign a non-Dutch player.

K.

Yup. That's the way to do it.

Sad thing was though, that Ajax had no idea what the market looked like on the other side of the ocean. That's something I find inexcusable for an organization that wants to be seen as professional and wants to contend for the top silverware in the world.