Other Eredivisie Teams

[Frans]

The Solomon's are actually fairly decent in oceania terms. Was actually American Samoa. What is the deal with oceania now? Do we retain a half qualifying spot for the WC with NZ and the Solomons battling it out for a playoff with a south american side? sounds a bit ludicrous. Just merge the whole confederation into Asia would be the best idea I think.

Yep. You are correct Frans. I couldn't remember that when I wrote the response. It was Amercian Samoa.

I am pretty sure that Oceania keeps the half a place against Sth Americans. NZ/SI would the be candidates.

I dont know why the conferderations don't merge either. Let the "weaker" nations, go through a play-off, then the winners can join the play-offs in Asia. More money for the nations also.

It would be ironic, if Australia, by moving to Asia don't qualify for the next WC, yet NZ do through Oceania.

I think that would be kind of hard, a team like Colombia,Uruguay would easaly beat NZ. Australia was another story they actually had to battle it out to see got the place. I guess that's good news for the south american teams and thus ME :D ( Come on Venezuela !!!!!!).

Please excuse me if i am underestimating the rest of Oceania's teams.

I think NZ could take Venezuela. As of this month we now have 2 players in the premier league. Add to that one in the eredivisie and that's 3 players in 'top' european leagues. We also have a player playing for Oldham, and another for Doncaster, and a goalie plying his trade at St Johnstone in Scotland. Along with the 2 or 3 players at American universities and a player from the Belgium second division. Couple this with a few players from the Australian league and the pick of talent from the local 7 team amateur league and you have a squad that would strike fear into the heart of any two-bit south american team.

You'd never guess that in NZ more schoolkids play soccer than play rugby.

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Venezuela is one thing....i'll give you that, but an experienced team like Uruguay or Colombia is another thing.

By the way Venezuela did tie Australia in a friendly not so long ago 1-1 ;)

[Frans]

Venezuela is one thing....i'll give you that, but an experienced team like Uruguay or Colombia is another thing.

By the way Venezuela did tie Australia in a friendly not so long ago 1-1 ;)

NZ has played at 2 confederations cups in the last 10 yars. to get there they have to beat Australia.

Your point of experienced teams is very valid. in the last 5 years, NZ has played 26 internationals. Even Venezuela has played 54. It's hard to establish a team when there are no games to play. Last year NZ played one game. A friendly against Australia in London. (87th minute winner for Australia if I recall correctly). Venezuela played 10 games.

But who knows. If NZ doesn't lose to Vanuatu again in the next WC qualifying campaign, we will have a chance.

[DanK]

Venezuela is one thing....i'll give you that, but an experienced team like Uruguay or Colombia is another thing.

By the way Venezuela did tie Australia in a friendly not so long ago 1-1 ;)

NZ has played at 2 confederations cups in the last 10 yars. to get there they have to beat Australia.

Your point of experienced teams is very valid. in the last 5 years, NZ has played 26 internationals. Even Venezuela has played 54. It's hard to establish a team when there are no games to play. Last year NZ played one game. A friendly against Australia in London. (87th minute winner for Australia if I recall correctly). Venezuela played 10 games.

But who knows. If NZ doesn't lose to Vanuatu again in the next WC qualifying campaign, we will have a chance.

This is exactly why I am glad Australia has joined Asia. More serious games.

Its nearly impossible for the winner of Oceania to jump straight from beating the Solomon Islands (no offense to them - just an example), then play the 5th team in Sth Amercia. Basically it then becomes their first serious game in 4 years.

Its a lot to expect to try to knock a team of Uruguay for expamle out after they have played together over 18 games or so against the likes of Brazil, Argentina etc.

I just hope that NZ and the rest of Oceania get into Asia at some point in the future.

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Changing the subject ( we are kind of off topic :D ) It looks like Herenveen have agreed a 6 million transfer fee for Samaras. Manchester City it is then. These guy's really know how to negociate...

[AjaxPDX]

Alexander Ostlund, 27 year-old right fullback, was transferred today from F-word to Southampton in England for an unconfirmed but small fee. He signed a 2.5 year contract.

[Kowalczyk]

Changing the subject ( we are kind of off topic :D ) It looks like Herenveen have agreed a 6 million transfer fee for Samaras. Manchester City it is then. These guy's really know how to negociate...

They actually got 7.5 million for him. Add that to the 9 million they got for Huntelaar and *zhing* that's 16.5 million eurobucks for Heerenveen. A sh*tload of money, but their coach has a bit of a problem upfront now.

But I'm sure they will come up with a good striker. The story is that they are about to land a Brazilian guy who has scored 26 goals in 26 games for Malmö FF this season.

Where do Heerenveen always get those strikers from (Van Nistelrooy, Allbäck, Huntelaar...) and, also an interesting one, where do Malmö always get those strikers from...? (Zlatan, Rosenberg and now this Brazilian guy). They must half a pretty decent scouting system as well.

K.

[Feest]

Afonso Alves scored 26 goals in 48 games, Ko.

[jakobg]

Afonso Alves scored 26 goals in 48 games, Ko.

But he's also had lots of assists. He has been the best player in Sweden for a couple of years now. High class attacker.

[SE6Ajacied]

I think I'm the only one ploughing this lonely little trail but Eredivisie now has a third Englishman, Joe Keenan of Chelsea just signed for Willem II.

I never thought I'd be the one to say it (not known for nationalism) but it does add an extra interst when looking up the other Eredivisie results.

[dws]

I think I'm the only one ploughing this lonely little trail but Eredivisie now has a third Englishman, Joe Keenan of Chelsea just signed for Willem II.

I never thought I'd be the one to say it (not known for nationalism) but it does add an extra interst when looking up the other Eredivisie results.

I recall quite a number of English players in Eredivisie over the years:

Rob MacDonald played for a number of Dutch clubs including FC Groningen and PSV. He played in the PSV side that won Eredivisie(season 85/86) for the first time in almost a decade


Paul Mason also played for FC Groningen. He had originally moved to the Netherlands to work in a factory.

Gary Brooke ressurected his football career with FC Groningen. Brooke had suffered severe injuries in a car Accident.


Former Man Utd winger Gorden Hill played for a short spell at FC Twente.

Tony Morely played in the newly promoted Den Haag side that inflicted an early season defeat on Ajax at the Olympic Stadium (season 86/87). If memory serves; Van Basten scored twice for Ajax in that 2:3 reverse, Morely scored once for Den Haag and striker Remco Boere grabbed a double.

Ray Clarke :xyxthumbs: AJAX and Sparta Rotterdam.

I also recall some Scottish players :headbang: such as Ally Dick(AJAX), Jimmy Calderwood (Willem and Roda being two of his clubs), Scott Booth( Utrecht, Vitesse and Twente).

Ally Dick was signed by JC , but mainly because of injuries( I think he had a problem with shin splints) he made little impact at Ajax.


Irish players (Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) :

Frank Stapleton(Ajax), James Quinn (willem) and English born David Connolly(Feyenoord and Excelsior).



I can't think of any Welsh players, but I remember Barry Hughes having success as a coach at Sparta and Haarlem

[SE6Ajacied]

I think I'm the only one ploughing this lonely little trail but Eredivisie now has a third Englishman, Joe Keenan of Chelsea just signed for Willem II.

I never thought I'd be the one to say it (not known for nationalism) but it does add an extra interst when looking up the other Eredivisie results.

I recall quite a number of English players in Eredivisie over the years:

Rob MacDonald played for a number of Dutch clubs including FC Groningen and PSV. He played in the PSV side that won Eredivisie(season 85/86) for the first time in almost a decade


Paul Mason also played for FC Groningen. He had originally moved to the Netherlands to work in a factory.

Gary Brooke ressurected his football career with FC Groningen. Brooke had suffered severe injuries in a car Accident.


Former Man Utd winger Gorden Hill played for a short spell at FC Twente.

Tony Morely played in the newly promoted Den Haag side that inflicted an early season defeat on Ajax at the Olympic Stadium (season 86/87). If memory serves; Van Basten scored twice for Ajax in that 2:3 reverse, Morely scored once for Den Haag and striker Remco Boere grabbed a double.

Ray Clarke :xyxthumbs: AJAX and Sparta Rotterdam.

I also recall some Scottish players :headbang: such as Ally Dick(AJAX), Jimmy Calderwood (Willem and Roda being two of his clubs), Scott Booth( Utrecht, Vitesse and Twente).

Ally Dick was signed by JC , but mainly because of injuries( I think he had a problem with shin splints) he made little impact at Ajax.


Irish players (Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) :

Frank Stapleton(Ajax), James Quinn (willem) and English born David Connolly(Feyenoord and Excelsior).



I can't think of any Welsh players, but I remember Barry Hughes having success as a coach at Sparta and Haarlem

Blmey Derek, you've now taken the title of honoury encyclopedia (or honoury Anorak ;) ). I know some but certainly not all of those names. I think David Connelly (ex Watford and Wimbledon) and of course James "Quinny" Quinn - ex of the mighty Seasiders are the most well know recently. Quinny also wrote a weekly column in The Guardian at one time about his experiences playing in Holland.

[dws]

I think I'm the only one ploughing this lonely little trail but Eredivisie now has a third Englishman, Joe Keenan of Chelsea just signed for Willem II.

I never thought I'd be the one to say it (not known for nationalism) but it does add an extra interst when looking up the other Eredivisie results.

I recall quite a number of English players in Eredivisie over the years:

Rob MacDonald played for a number of Dutch clubs including FC Groningen and PSV. He played in the PSV side that won Eredivisie(season 85/86) for the first time in almost a decade


Paul Mason also played for FC Groningen. He had originally moved to the Netherlands to work in a factory.

Gary Brooke ressurected his football career with FC Groningen. Brooke had suffered severe injuries in a car Accident.


Former Man Utd winger Gorden Hill played for a short spell at FC Twente.

Tony Morely played in the newly promoted Den Haag side that inflicted an early season defeat on Ajax at the Olympic Stadium (season 86/87). If memory serves; Van Basten scored twice for Ajax in that 2:3 reverse, Morely scored once for Den Haag and striker Remco Boere grabbed a double.

Ray Clarke :xyxthumbs: AJAX and Sparta Rotterdam.

I also recall some Scottish players :headbang: such as Ally Dick(AJAX), Jimmy Calderwood (Willem and Roda being two of his clubs), Scott Booth( Utrecht, Vitesse and Twente).

Ally Dick was signed by JC , but mainly because of injuries( I think he had a problem with shin splints) he made little impact at Ajax.


Irish players (Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland) :

Frank Stapleton(Ajax), James Quinn (willem) and English born David Connolly(Feyenoord and Excelsior).



I can't think of any Welsh players, but I remember Barry Hughes having success as a coach at Sparta and Haarlem

Blmey Derek, you've now taken the title of honoury encyclopedia (or honoury Anorak ;) ). I know some but certainly not all of those names. I think David Connelly (ex Watford and Wimbledon) and of course James "Quinny" Quinn - ex of the mighty Seasiders are the most well know recently. Quinny also wrote a weekly column in The Guardian at one time about his experiences playing in Holland.

Brian, I'm just a very sick individual :D .... but, you're not too far at my back ;) :xyxthumbs:

[jamcocteau]

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[jamcocteau]

I also recall some Scottish players :headbang: such as Ally Dick(AJAX), Jimmy Calderwood (Willem and Roda being two of his clubs), Scott Booth( Utrecht, Vitesse and Twente).

Ally Dick was signed by JC , but mainly because of injuries( I think he had a problem with shin splints) he made little impact at Ajax.

Jamie Smith also played for ADO last season before being transferred back to Aberdeen in the summer. There have been a few others over the years usually with the lower clubs.

As an aside, Aberdeen picked up Ferne Snoyl on loan from F-word for the rest of the season. Aberdeen have had quite a few Dutchmen over the year including Hans Gillhaus, Theo Schnelders etc.

Actually played against Ally Dick at schoolboy level - Scotland U15s v the mighty Campbeltown U15s - nae wonder he couldnt play after that Mr. Green
But he was a huge prospect at the time - in fact he played at Wembley the following week and destroyed the English defence in a 5-4 win for Scotland :cheer: Others playing that day were Paul McStay, John Robertson and Paul Rideout ( who scored a hat trick for the other country). Ally was at Spurs before coming to Ajax but only played a handful of games - shame as I thought he would have really made it.

[muffin_]

What about that ManU lad, whats his name... David Jones I think, he plays for NEC on loan? I heard he was doing great... Only played a couple of games but managed to score a lot, even though he is a midfielder.

[dws]

I also recall some Scottish players :headbang: such as Ally Dick(AJAX), Jimmy Calderwood (Willem and Roda being two of his clubs), Scott Booth( Utrecht, Vitesse and Twente).

Ally Dick was signed by JC , but mainly because of injuries( I think he had a problem with shin splints) he made little impact at Ajax.

Jamie Smith also played for ADO last season before being transferred back to Aberdeen in the summer. There have been a few others over the years usually with the lower clubs.

As an aside, Aberdeen picked up Ferne Snoyl on loan from F-word for the rest of the season. Aberdeen have had quite a few Dutchmen over the year including Hans Gillhaus, Theo Schnelders etc.

Actually played against Ally Dick at schoolboy level - Scotland U15s v the mighty Campbeltown U15s - nae wonder he couldnt play after that Mr. Green
But he was a huge prospect at the time - in fact he played at Wembley the following week and destroyed the English defence in a 5-4 win for Scotland :cheer: Others playing that day were Paul McStay, John Robertson and Paul Rideout ( who scored a hat trick for the other country). Ally was at Spurs before coming to Ajax but only played a handful of games - shame as I thought he would have really made it.

I forgot about Jamie Smith ....... should be ashamed about that given that he is a Vale of Leven boy.

Remember watching that 5:4 match on the telly :headbang: :headbang:

There was recently a 'where are they now' article about that Scottish team.
Interesting to read that Charlie Nic's cousin, who played in that game, gave up football to carve out a career as lawyer.

[jamcocteau]

Ah so DWS you from the Vale area then. Travel through it on the way home.

Aye did Charlie Nics cousin not end up in the States at Harvaard to study law where he was recognised as an Ivy League athlete and think he is now in their sporting hall of fame there.

Re that game, it is amzing how many scots can remember that match and some of the players - John Sludden was another

[dws]

Bonhill to be precise... used to stay in Alexandria , both are part of the Vale.

As regards Charlie Nic's Cousin, I think you are correct on both counts.

Fantastic game, great entertainment .... BURNED into the memory :D .

I remember Sludden as an Ayr Utd player.

If Arsene Wenger had witnessed that match and had knowledge of how Paul Rideout's career panned out I doubt he would have shelled out so much money on young Walcott.

[Kowalczyk]

Still very cold in Holland (it has been for a while). More than 50% of tonight's First Division games have been called of due to the frozen, icy state of the pitches. Most Eredivisie clubs have pitch heating, but a few don't, so we might lose some Eredivisie fixtures as well this weekend...

(Not Feyenoord vs Ajax, obviously).

K.

[Kowalczyk]

The only Eredivisie game of the evening was not called off and it's an interesting one, namely the ultimate relegation battle: Willem II (11 points) vs RBC Roosendaal (5 points). #16, ADO Den Haag, have 18 points, a gap of 7 between them and the bottom two.

It is safe to say that this is RBC's last chance: they have to beat Willem II now, otherwise they'll have 5 points and Willem II 14.

So far it seems like they're grabbing their last chance: they're 0-1 up at half-time (goal by Henk Vos).

K.

[Kowalczyk]

1-1. Almost over now.

RBC are fucked. As far as we didn't know it yet, we now know who will finish bottom.

K.

[Kowalczyk]

What a tragedy for poor old RBC... They lost 3-1. Willem II got a penalty in the last minute. Hadouir converted it and in stoppage time RBC defender Lammens scored an own goal. 3-1.

Bye, bye, RBC.

K.

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Well if i had to choose wich one should stay I would abviusly pick Willem Ajax always have an easy game against them :D .


Oh right and they have more history and tradition than RBC.

[dws]

Would you believe it? Two more instances of shite officiating in Eredivisie.
Shite decision number 1: Willem gifted a penalty in the relagation fixture versus rock bottom RBC :pukey: . Shite decision number 2: Roda denied a penalty for a clear hand ball by Vinegarwhore in the game v's PSV :pukey: :pukey: :pukey: