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Re: Players Leaving Ajax

Bericht door Orange14 » do sep 08, 2016 8:24 pm

So how many youth teams are left?
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Bericht door SPL » vr sep 09, 2016 11:50 am

We have teams for every year up to U17 ie B1. We used to have 2 x U19 ie A1 and A2 but they decided to have just the one U19 team from this season. With the UEFA youth cup being extra games we now have a squad of 24 whereas they used to be 18 in both A1 and A2.

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Bericht door Ayman » ma okt 03, 2016 6:40 am

Firstly, I have to say its pretty flattering that players such as El Ghazi, Bazoer and Tete can't get into the Ajax team but linked with relatively big teams in Europe for ridiculous amounts of money. If they do go, at most by the end of the season, I would want Ajax to sign former Ajax Nigerian international right winger, Moses Simon to replace El Ghazi. As for right back Tete, I wouldn't mind seeing Vurnon Anita back, he does will in that position for Newcastle, who are not exactly having a good time vying for promotion into the premier league. As for Bazoer's anchor man position, get this, Marco van Ginkel, this is the least likely scenario as opposed to the other two. Ajax tried and went so far with the salary cap, he said no, so I don't expect him to be back at Ajax, but he may return to the Netherlands either to Feyenoord, who are likely to win the Eredivisie or PSV who are jostling for second spot with Ajax.

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Bericht door SPL » vr okt 21, 2016 12:13 pm

Following 3 kids ,who we let go in the summer,and now in Italy , today's news another kid we let go this summer joins Man u. Millen Baars a16 year old winger was actually released due to lack of discipline and not because he was not good enough . He now joins Fosu-Mensah at Man u

Heard of his name but I have never read he is a top talent. Clearly kids from Ajax academy are still looked upon as special as 4 kids released this summer now abroad. Sadly a 5th, the really talent Familia -Castillo left for Chelsea due to money.

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Bericht door Orange14 » vr okt 21, 2016 1:06 pm

SPL schreef:Sadly a 5th, the really talent Familia -Castillo left for Chelsea due to money.
Perhaps he saw all the midfielders who were 2-3 years older than he is and figured his chances of making the Ajax first team were not all that great (de Wit, Eiting, van de Beek, de Jong, Nouri, etc.). Of course he stands little chance at Chelsea and will be endless loaned out like Marco van Ginkel.
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Bericht door SPL » di nov 01, 2016 12:49 pm

I just posted that El Ghazi was back with Jong for a month as punishment but I now read he pushed Bosz over.If this is right I dont think he will play in our first team again and he will be sold in January.

With Tete and Bazoer both just stuck as subs I think they will go in January also. Bit of a shame as these 3 with Riedewald were regulars this time last season and still have lots of promise.

We are stuck with the show pony Traore ,the useless Westermann and the joke of Krul ,who is still not fit. These 3 along with Gudelj should all be got rid of in January and not 3 talented kids.

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Bericht door Orange14 » di nov 01, 2016 2:11 pm

i don't mind the Westermann buy as nobody thought de Ligt would be ready and Westermann can play on both the left and right sides of the defense. He's the Andre Oojier of this team, willing to play when needed and not rocking the boat. Traore was another panic effort but the club also didn't know that Dolberg would be ready or how good Cassiera would be at this level. In hindsight, they didn't need to get him on loan.

Regarding the three out of favor players, it was apparent that both el Ghazi and Bazoer had major flaws with their game. What is difficult for each of them is that they were starters last season and there was a lot of unwarranted buzz about them. Neither of them was ever worth the money that was being talked about and I doubt that any team is going to offer more than €2-4M in transfer fee. Tete is a very good defender and last season he locked down any attacker who played on his side. Unfortunately, he is not very good going forward (look how great Karsdorp of Feyenoord is in this regard). Did Bosz sit down with him during the preseason and instruct him as to what would be needed for him to stay on the starting 11? I still think he is 'potentially' better than Veltman at RB but understand why he is not starting. Unfortunately, Raiola is his agent and he did not extend his contract last season. I agree with SPL it's likely all three will leave in January. The question is where to?
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Bericht door SPL » di nov 01, 2016 6:53 pm

On Westermann we had Tete,Veltman Sanchez for the right side and Viergever Dijks Riedewald for the left side.I dont think de Ligt is quite ready for 1st team yet but the 2 or 3 times I have watched him in Jong with Westermann I rated de Ligt better.

We needed a striker and a winger but in panic ended up with Traore who is neither and worst of all is costing us 2m and has scored 2 league goals.I thought he was a striker who would score a lot of goals and a 2m loan would have been ok giving us time to bring through Dolberg Zivkovic or Cassierra . Lucky that Dolberg has come through but with El Ghazi probably now going and Younes and Traore flattering to deceive we still need a good quality winger.

We needed an experienced goalie and not someone on loan who had been injured for a year and now 2 months later is still not fit. Like Dolberg we are lucky Onana has broken through .He with Boer as no 2 are good enough.

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Bericht door SPL » wo nov 02, 2016 12:04 pm

Talk of us wanting 22 m euros ,for Bazoer. Milan offered 13m and Juve are interested. If we can get over 10m we will have done well .Last year talk of 25m plus after half a season.He has struggled for best part of 2016 and like Tete and El Ghazi Ajax must try and get what they can for players who are now subs. I would rather see them stay and fight for their places but they were overhyped last season and all think they have made it already.

Bazoer has a long term contract but seems like his Ajax career is over which is a great shame.

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Bericht door Orange14 » wo nov 02, 2016 12:47 pm

SPL schreef:
Bazoer has a long term contract but seems like his Ajax career is over which is a great shame.
de Boer caused alll of this by sitting him out of the last three matches of last season while continuing to play Klaassen who was equally as bad. I think Bazoer's confidence is shot and he's certainly not going to progress as long as Bosz is in charge. To be frank, his game is flawed and he really needs to play at a lower level for a year or so to improve his ball handling speed and field awareness. Moving to a big club such as Milan or Juventus isn't going to help at all. I'm sure Ajax doesn't want to sell him to another Eredivisie team but quite frankly he would do better by moving to Belgium to work on his game.
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Bericht door SPL » wo nov 02, 2016 7:20 pm

Agree with you Orange but as it looks like he wants to leave we are talking 20m !! which is stupid money for a kid who has had half a season playing well in Holland. I think he will be lost in Italy ,just like Kishna. El Ghazi too will end up like Kishna if he goes there .Both need to go out on loan to other Dutch sides for the 2nd half of the season to restore their game.

Ironically Tete who is a good defender will probably be good in Serie A

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Bericht door SPL » wo nov 02, 2016 8:40 pm

Above is those who probably will look to leave in the winter but looking ahead to next summer I was just speculating and defence is a potential hugh problem..

We will have strikers but will need 2 right wingers to replace Traore and El Ghazi.Midfield without Bazoer ,Gudelj and Klaassen still good enough with Ziyech Nouri v dBeek de Jong and Schone who will probably stay.Goalies Onana Boer ok.

Defence is another matter.

Tete gone in January

Veltman has said he may well look to move in the summer

Sanchez may stay 1 more year but if he continues to improve expect a big bid.

Westermann. Please put this useless man on a 1 way ticket back to Germany tomorrow.

Dijks struggling so much they are even playing Sinkgraven so Dijks will go

Viergever currently playing but with a contract to 2018 he will be gone.Even if Riedewald does not come back in his place de Ligt will for next season.

Riedewald ,not sure of his best position and if he stays on the bench he will leave next summer.

The Jong and A1 only have de Ligt who looks ready . Owusu ,on loan at Excelsior played decent last week at LB even though he is right footed.

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Bericht door Orange14 » wo nov 02, 2016 8:54 pm

@SPL - very good assessment. Schöne is out of contract in June and I wonder if the club is going to extend and if so for how long? I think Riedewald is too good a player to send away. Bosz has jerked him around between central defense and MF. Bosz did state that Riedewald is not going to play LB which is where he started with those two late goals a couple of years ago. I would like to see Tete stay as I think he can be a real good RB but completely understand his desire (or maybe it's Raiola's desire) to leave.
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Bericht door Ayman » do nov 03, 2016 10:11 am

Not sure who would sign Veltman, he is not as good as he was, when he first came into the scene and set the field alight with some solid displays in defense. If he does leave, then Ajax can always snap up Rick van Drongelen from Sparta Rotterdam.

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Bericht door SPL » do nov 03, 2016 8:21 pm

Veltman said he would preefr Spain or Germany . A mid table German side would go for him.

Meanwhile its said Milan and Ajax will do a deal for 19m for Bazoer .If thats upfront and not add ons I would bite their hand off . Read alot of criticism of Bosz and Ajax but this kid has struggled for months and having walked out of PSV less than 4 years ago he wants to do the same with us .

Incidently last summer with Tete our regular RB ,his agent Raiola, did not want to extend his 2018 contract. Think the plan was for him to have a good season with us and then a move in the summer.But now he will go in the winter.

Would like these kids to stay and fight for their places but thats not going to happen and their attitudes make me think we should get rid .

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Bericht door Orange14 » vr nov 04, 2016 1:25 pm

Pretty much agree with SPL here. Bazoer had a great 1st half of a season and then declined dramatically. Maybe he can get his confidence back but I'm doubtful because of the flaws in his game. Quite frankly all the Jong MFs are better than he is right now. Tete is a great defender but football requires more than that for full backs these days. Whether he can develop the offensive tools to do the job is a big question. I remember when van Rhijn came into the team after van der Wiel left. He wasn't especially good going forward but he really worked hard on that aspect of this game and developed a wicked cross and had one of the better free kicks on the Ajax team (of course he was limited defensively).

IMO neither player is worth more than €3-6M at present.
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Bericht door SPL » wo nov 23, 2016 7:41 pm

Today's silly rumour Everton will bid 23m euros for Dolberg .Should say the Daily Mirror actually makes the figure up by saying that a bid of £20m ie 23m euros should get the lad. Luckily Dolberg ,his agent and father are all sensible and he wont go anywhere. He says he wont develop at a big club as he will be stuck on the bench and the only way to develop is playing .

Bazoer and Gudelj along with Serero are all going in January and Tete is certain to join them.
News today he is no longer taking about a contract extension ,ie runs to 2018 . Raiola is his agent and way back in April time there was talk Tete was happy to extend but nothing happened and he was then was playing . Now he is dropped to the bench Raiola will find him a nice Italian club where he can sit on the bench.

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Bericht door Orange14 » wo nov 23, 2016 8:27 pm

SPL schreef:Tete is certain to join them.
News today he is no longer taking about a contract extension ,ie runs to 2018 . Raiola is his agent and way back in April time there was talk Tete was happy to extend but nothing happened and he was then was playing . Now he is dropped to the bench Raiola will find him a nice Italian club where he can sit on the bench.
Raiola has not had much luck in placing young players. Ouasim Bouy was supposed to be the next big thing and moved on to Juventus where he has played exactly 1 match in four years. He's now on loan to Palermo which according to Wikipedia he hasn't even played. Raiola is a great agent for superstars such as Zlatan and Pogba but the young players he isn't. He's happy to collect his 10% by getting transfers done regardless of whether it is in the player's interest.
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Bericht door SPL » wo nov 23, 2016 9:24 pm

Kishna doesn't get much playing time for Lazio.Mind a few players have left Holland and are getting little playing time and not Raiola men.Fischer hasn't got many minutes for Middlesbrough ,Kevin Dijks a young RB from Twente joined Fiorentina and has hardly played for them.

Very sad to see young players move abroad for money and then not even play. Dolberg clearly is very different at the moment.

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Bericht door SPL » do nov 24, 2016 1:27 pm

Dutch paper today says Ajax will sell Bazoer for 13m euros (plus add ons and resale !!) but this is a lot for a midfielder benchwarmer.We were going to get 30m last season but Depay at 30m is the most expensive sale from Holland and he scored goals.

Bazoer has talent alright but his attitude to being dropped is I want out.With that attitude I would question whether we want someone with no backbone to fight .Get rid asap. Gudelj and El Ghazi also, although Anwar has said he is prepared to stay and fight.

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Bericht door SPL » vr nov 25, 2016 10:10 pm

Following twitter tonight someone said top clubs want Bazoer and Tete has verbally agreed to join another club.

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Bericht door rjf1 » ma nov 28, 2016 5:24 pm

Could it be that the reason Ajax is reluctant to play Tete is that they have an understanding for a January transfer and don't want to take the chance on him getting injured before it happens.

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Bericht door Orange14 » ma nov 28, 2016 6:55 pm

rjf1 schreef:Could it be that the reason Ajax is reluctant to play Tete is that they have an understanding for a January transfer and don't want to take the chance on him getting injured before it happens.
Doubtful, Bosz just prefers Veltman for some reason.
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Bericht door SPL » do dec 08, 2016 1:18 pm

Bazoer not in todays squad as they dont want him involved or getting injured as he is leaving in January. My paper says Arsenal Man City and Chelsea want him .Not good enough for Ajax but wanted by the top 3 in EPL!!

Hope we let Krul go back in January, a stupid signing .He is still not deemed match fit enough to be involved in the 1sts.

Onana should stay as our No1 after the winter break and Boer is good enough for the odd game .

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Bericht door rjf1 » do dec 08, 2016 5:08 pm

I read that about Bazoer, too. Also a statement by Bosz that they expected him to go in January, and finally I read that there is a rumor that Barcelona was sniffing around. Frankly, from what we've seen of him so far this season, I don't get why he is generating all the high level interest.

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