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Dubbel schreef:

666 schreef:

philippe schreef:I do prefer drunks to racists

When I'm in a bar I prefer drunks to racists too.

But when I'm out on the road, I prefer racist drivers to drunk drivers.

So you are against racism unless it suits your pathetic little goals?
:pukey:

I'll bet you wanted to nick yourself '6 million killed', but being the lazy stutterer that you are you stranded at 666. :twisted:

:xyxthumbs: never mind if being against racists means being against "the rest of the world" (so they think they are)

could our Dutch friends provide us with exact translation of what Perez said, just to make sure everyone knows what this is about, and those who claim a non-racist could have said it, take one step forward

no surrender to racism, Perez get lost

perez called the linesman a "cancer nigger" if i was the manager i would have stuck in him in the second team for a month.

if i was chairman of ajax and blind was manager when he did what he did this week, i would have sacked him on the spot

bryan schreef: if i was chairman of ajax and blind was manager when he did what he did this week, i would have sacked him on the spot

:xyxthumbs: :worshippy: :xyxthumbs:

bryan schreef:perez called the linesman a "cancer nigger" if i was the manager i would have stuck in him in the second team for a month.

That's a big misconception. He called him a "cancer negro". He didn't use the word "nigger".

As always people are trying to making mountains out of molehills - for gods sake Perez blurted out the first thing that came into his mind - he probably didn't mean it as a racist comment. Are we getting like the lunny left lambeth borough council a few years back who banned the old nursery rhyme ba ba black sheep as it was racist. Give me a break.

As to dear old Danny - he was an absolute pratt and he probably knows it. I suppose I am probably one of those that dear old Philippe is referring to who loves a drink - however for his information I do not drink and drive. As to driving under the influence of drink is it any better or worse than when driving with a heavy cold or you are very tired or you have a muzzy head from taking headache tablets. Not condoning drink/drive but just pointing out that your reactions etc. can be caused by other things.

[quote=". Are we getting like the lunny left lambeth borough council a few years back who banned the old nursery rhyme ba ba black sheep as it was racist. Give me a break..[/quote]

they never did, this is an urban myth put about by extreme right-wing scum like the BNP to discredit progressive politics in the U.K.

That's a vomit-inducing statement of yours OPH, you're saying that it's ok to make vile racist statemements in "the heat of the moment" and that anybody who opposes that view is a looney-left, poiticaly correct, bleeding heart liberal etc etc. Well no, that's not good enough - the only people who make racist comments, are racists. It's that simple.

Perez should have been immediately released from his contract. People like him should have no future at a club like Ajax. Unless you are willing to concede that all this "Let's kick racism out of football" is just P.R. hype and has no real meaning.

Dubbel schreef::pukey:

Yep, that's what happens when you drink too much.

Did you drive home afterwards or did you take a taxi?

Over Pasanens Head schreef: Perez blurted out the first thing that came into his mind

precisely, that's why I want him out of Ajax

SE6Ajacied schreef:
Since when did anyone say that Blind has a drink problem anyway? You're the first person to mention that

:shock:

oh no ? and what does it take ? driving with 3 times the limit is not enough ...

let's say that he might go through a very difficult time, and tries to find confort in drinking ? very diferent

if perez had been sacked, would he have had a right to compensation?

that would be the main thing from stopping me from sacking him.

The Purple Cow schreef:[quote=". Are we getting like the lunny left lambeth borough council a few years back who banned the old nursery rhyme ba ba black sheep as it was racist. Give me a break..

they never did, this is an urban myth put about by extreme right-wing scum like the BNP to discredit progressive politics in the U.K.

That's a vomit-inducing statement of yours OPH, you're saying that it's ok to make vile racist statemements in "the heat of the moment" and that anybody who opposes that view is a looney-left, poiticaly correct, bleeding heart liberal etc etc. Well no, that's not good enough - the only people who make racist comments, are racists. It's that simple.

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I take it that you don't agree with me then Purple Cow.

Just for the record, I am not saying it is ok and for the record I am no racist.
However, what I am saying is that people on the loony left just love to fan the flames over this sort of thing. All it does is make things worse not better - just look how your progressive politics have helped race relations in the UK - is it any better - of course it isn't and why, because it is polarising the factions instead of bringing them together and also producing an ideal environment for the BNP to grow. If that is what you want as the end game with your policies then I would be absolutely amazed. Just as using a sledehammer to crack a nut is not the way nor is burning Perez at the stake the right way forward.

May I suggest you calm down and keep things in perspective.

The Purple Cow schreef:[quote=". Are we getting like the lunny left lambeth borough council a few years back who banned the old nursery rhyme ba ba black sheep as it was racist. Give me a break..

they never did, this is an urban myth put about by extreme right-wing scum like the BNP to discredit progressive politics in the U.K.

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Have to agree with Purple Cow here, the baah baah black sheep thing 100% did not happen - absolute pure fiction though I think it was one of the rw tabloids rather than the BNP who made it up.

As for Perez being sacked, well to be honest that would have been perfectly legit too. Certainly where I work (UK public sector) an employee would have been sacked for these types of comments.

I can stomach the fact that Ajax took a different course though (as I said, I think there will also be plenty of milage in using a genuinely repentant Perez as some sort of anti-racism ambassador) but, in order for them to prove theirs were not empty words, I would like to see a progress report on this community work I'm sure I read about. As I said previously as well, I'm pretty 100% on my statement that if the words aren't there, you don't accidently say them......I just can't see how anyone can say otherwise. The heat of the moment thing means that perhaps words you wouldn't normally have chosen come out sure, but surely not words you've never used before. And if you have used that sort of language before, then what does that make you??? I'll hold that thought for a minute.

Yet another urban myth I suppose put about by the far right:-

The Times March 07, 2006


Why black sheep are barred and Humpty can't be cracked
By Alexandra Blair, Education Correspondent



TRADITIONAL nursery rhymes are being rewritten at nursery schools to avoid causing offence to children.
Instead of singing “Baa baa, black sheep” as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing “Baa baa, rainbow sheep”.



The move, which critics will seize on as an example of political correctness, was made after the nurseries decided to re-evaluate their approach to equal opportunities.

Stuart Chamberlain, manager of the Family Centre in Abingdon and the Sure Start centre in Sutton Courtenay, Oxfordshire, told the local Courier Journal newspaper: “We have taken the equal opportunities approach to everything we do.

“This is fairly standard across nurseries. We are following stringent equal opportunities rules. No one should feel pointed out because of their race, gender or anything else.”

In keeping with the new approach, teachers at the nurseries have reportedly also changed the ending of Humpty Dumpty so as not to upset the children and dropped the seven dwarfs from the title of Snow White.

A spokesman for Ofsted, the watchdog which inspects Sure Start centres, confirmed that centres are expected to “have regard to anti-discrimination good practice” and that staff should “actively promote equality of opportunity”.

Gervase Duffield, a Conservative district councillor representing Sutton Courtenay and Appleford, denounced the ban as ridiculous.

“It’s the sort of thing that people continually do nowadays — it’s become something of a curse,” he said. “Why do people waste time and money doing this sort of thing when there are far more important things to think about when it comes to educating our children?”

A mother whose daughter attends the Sure Start nursery at the Family Centre in Abingdon, who did not want to be named, said parents had been astonished by the change.

“Baa Baa, Black Sheep has been one of the most well-known nursery rhymes for generations. For people to come along and fiddle with it is ridiculous. What on earth is a rainbow sheep anyway?

“I’ve spoken to other parents about it and none of us has ever heard of anyone getting offended by the words ‘black sheep’.”

This is not the first time, however, that the nursery rhyme — written in 1744 satirising the taxes imposed on wool exports — has fallen foul of political correctness. In 2000 Birmingham City Council tried to ban the rhyme, after claiming that it was racist and portrayed negative stereotypes. The council rescinded the ban after black parents said it was ludicrous.

Last year, a nursery school in Aberdeen caused uproar, when teachers changed the lyrics to “Baa baa, happy sheep”.

Margaret Morrissey, of the National Confederation of Parent Teachers Association, said: “It’s really sad. Children for generations have loved and enjoyed nursery rhymes and it’s very sad if adult political correctness doesn’t allow them to grow up in an unbiased world.”

A DfES spokesperson said: “We don’t support this approach to the teaching of traditional nursery rhymes, but any such decision would be taken locally.”

He, interesting. I could imagine a theoretical situation though were a black kid in a class would be called "black sheep" in the playground.

I don't find "baa baa black sheep" offensive, but if my kids (i don't have any, but let's just say if i did) were taught to sing "baa baa happy sheep" instead I don't think I'd care. I certainly wouldn't be "astonished", or feel a sense of "uproar". The people complaining about the change are worse.

So anyway, back to "former Ajax coaches"...

bryan schreef: The people complaining about the change are worse.

Why?

bryan schreef:if perez had been sacked, would he have had a right to compensation?

that would be the main thing from stopping me from sacking him.

Under English employment law he could probably be sacked for gross misconduct with no compensation and no notice. Similar to what happened with Mutu at Chelsea. I assume Dutch law is similar in that area.

666 schreef:

Dubbel schreef::pukey:

Yep, that's what happens when you drink too much.

Did you drive home afterwards or did you take a taxi?

I don't go out anymore. Much too afraid of getting beaten up by Baa baa, black sheep singing racists like you. ;)

I hate all white scum from that pathetic little country that should have been swallowed by the sea a long time ago, but beating up dutch cheeseheads in LA is not really my style. I don't like to get my hands dirty.

I've got other plans for you.

There's an exceptionally hot place down here in the fire that looks like a Jeroen Bosch painting, reeks of sulfur, and the sounds of terror and agony are abundant like, err, well, like hell.*

It's got a sign that reads "reserved for Dubbel," right in between Danny Blind and Ronald Koeman. I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that your punishment will be eternal.


*) Hey, maybe you were right about the stutter. Remind me to order some extra brimstone for you.

bryan schreef:perez called the linesman a "cancer nigger" if i was the manager i would have stuck in him in the second team for a month.

I don't quite agree with this translation. KP used the word 'neger' which translates to 'negro'. Had he used 'nikker' it would have translated to 'nigger'. Seems a detail but over here it would have made a huge difference.

666 schreef:It's got a sign that reads "reserved for Dubbel," right in between Danny Blind and Ronald Koeman. I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that your punishment will be eternal.

At least it's not between Danny Blind and Maurice de Hond. I would hate to have to spend good old eternity as Tyfus.

Dubbel schreef:

bryan schreef:perez called the linesman a "cancer nigger" if i was the manager i would have stuck in him in the second team for a month.

I don't quite agree with this translation. KP used the word 'neger' which translates to 'negro'. Had he used 'nikker' it would have translated to 'nigger'. Seems a detail but over here it would have made a huge difference.

666 schreef:It's got a sign that reads "reserved for Dubbel," right in between Danny Blind and Ronald Koeman. I'm sure it won't come as a surprise that your punishment will be eternal.

At least it's not between Danny Blind and Maurice de Hond. I would hate to have to spend good old eternity as Tyfus.

Yeah, does anyone know, if he said it in Dutch or Danish? neger is Danish for negro, not the n word, but it doesnt seem to make much sense. oh well, just a thought.

Do the danish use 'cancer' as a prefix to their swear words? Must've been dutch then.

@ Dubbel: you won't avoid Maurice de Hond. Remember, this is hell you're dealing with. There's plenty of room in front, behind, below, on top, and even inside of you. The latter space is reserved for Gerard Joling.

This has been in the news for a couple of weeks now, but VI.nl announces today that Danny Blind is about to sign a four year contract as technical director of Sparta Rotterdam, the club where he started his professional career as a player. Nice job for him. Looks like Sparta will survive in the Eredivisie this season.

K.

Kowalczyk schreef:This has been in the news for a couple of weeks now, but VI.nl announces today that Danny Blind is about to sign a four year contract as technical director of Sparta Rotterdam, the club where he started his professional career as a player. Nice job for him. Looks like Sparta will survive in the Eredivisie this season.

It's official now. Danny Blind is Sparta's new TD, with Gert Aandewiel of FC Haarlem to coach them...

Report on UEFA.com:
http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/news ... 05196.html

K.

Big rumour in Australia this weekend that Louis van Gaal is in line for the Socceroos job after this seasons end (probably after the Asian Nations Cup).

Seems he has been approached by the FFA (Football Federation of Australia).

He was interviewed for Australian TV and seems a little keen, although he hinted he has other national job offers and would like to take charge of a team that has a chance to win the WC :D

I got the impression he is leaving AZ at seasons end (this may already be a known fact in Holland that I have missed), but not really sure of his willingness to take on the head coach of Oz.

Watch this space though...Hopefully if he takes charge he doesn't f*ck up qualification for us like he did Holland a few years back.

Update:
Some more info:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/soccer/du ... 21118.html

DanK schreef:
I got the impression he is leaving AZ at seasons end (this may already be a known fact in Holland that I have missed), but not really sure of his willingness to take on the head coach of Oz.

Maybe it is the right time to get in touch with van Gaal and offer him a nice job with Ajax for next season ? :bigups: