Ajaxtalk

Right we just need to get through the next round of the uefa cup and hope we meet PSG or the team that defeated them and we can bring it back to Amsterdam!!!!!

I wish it was as easy as it sounds

It's not like there's an actual tiny trophy being handed out to PSG after the match, right?

I seriously doubt we'll be seeing the Helmond Cup back in Holland in the upcoming years.

Its a hypothetical trophy but, still it belongs in NL

Bye bye, Helmond Cup. Have a safe journey!

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes

K.

If they beat Valenciennes it will be a great match for the Coup de France: Montlucon v Paris Saint-Germain

Imagine Montlucon winning this one.

Peter schreef:If they beat Valenciennes it will be a great match for the Coup de France: Montlucon v Paris Saint-Germain

Imagine Montlucon winning this one.

Perhaps someone who writes French better than me should let them know

http://edsmfootball.forumactif.com/le-p ... ations-c3/

OK, so seeing as I suggested it I thought I'd let them know myself

http://edsmfootball.forumactif.com/l-ed ... -t1076.htm

I wonder what responses I'll get or whether Ajaxtalk will gain any EDSM fans??

Paris St. Germain and Valenciennes settled for a 2-2 draw today in the first ever Helmond Cup match in which both teams were not Dutch. This means that 'PSG' are this season's Christmas champions in the Helmond Cup. They will carry the trophy into 2009. Their first official game in the new year is a cup match against a lower division side named Montluçon.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain

By the way: I don't know the fixture list for the French league, but would it - theoretically - be possible that Twente or (in the round thereafter) even Ajax win it back from Olympique Marseille in the UEFA Cup...?

We'll see what happens!

The Helmond Cup saga will continue in the new year!

K.

Well, if PSG is able to defend the Cup succesfully (some challenge, not to loose in the next three months), they'll play Marseille the 15th of March, so in theory it's possible, if Ajax then plays Marseille in a hypothectical next Uefa-cup round (the return match in the next round is 18/19th of March!)..

There's another possibility to get it back in the Netherlands though; one of the fixtures of the next round in the French league in January contains Bordeaux - PSG; since Bordeaux is also playing in the Uefacup, in theory (in the latter stages of the Uefa-cup) they could end up playing Twente or Ajax (and in the meantime they could be opponents of Marseille, who then play Twente or Ajax..)

It's not going to be easy, but there seems to be a number of (hypothecial though) possibilities the Helmond Cup returns to the Netherlands!

Kowalczyk schreef: Their first official game in the new year is a cup match against a lower division side named Montluçon.

K.

It's good to be of service and also to relay news that makes people happy. I let our friends at EDS Montluçon know about the Helmond Cup know via their fans forum and they seem right up for it - their team is now playing in a European final and they didn't even know before. Also their forum now has it's first ever non French member judging by some of the other reaction I got

Very brave going on a French speaking site speaking english. If they win it could end up in the lower reaches of French football for along time!Maybe we should hope PSG win the game.

PSG's first league game of the new year is against Girondins Bordeaux, who are also in the UEFA Cup. With one French side in the Champions League and four still in the UEFA Cup it is definitely not unthinkable that the Helmond Cup will leave France relatively soon.

K.

Kowalczyk schreef:PSG's first league game of the new year is against Girondins Bordeaux, who are also in the UEFA Cup. With one French side in the Champions League and four still in the UEFA Cup it is definitely not unthinkable that the Helmond Cup will leave France relatively soon.

K.

Adding real excitement to the competition!!!

SPL schreef:Very brave going on a French speaking site speaking english. If they win it could end up in the lower reaches of French football for along time!Maybe we should hope PSG win the game.

I thought it wasn't likely that fans of a French CFA (4th level) side were going to have much of a dig at me. I guessed that the novelty vote would win out against anything else. My reading or spoken French is not too bad (in terms of short Football related conversations at least) but when it comes to writing it I'm hopeless so it had to be English. They seem a friendly bunch anyway.

Wake me up if it gets back to the Netherlands. All these matches , the geography changes, the league changes, and the fixtures are making my A-D-D kick in.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain

K.

The new holders of the Helmond Cup are... Girondins Bordeaux. They conquered it yesterday evening by beating Paris St. Germain (4-0) and they will defend it for the first time on Wednesday in their league cup match against La Berrichonne de Châteauroux.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux

K.

Saint-Etienne, PSG, Marseille and Bordeaux can end up drawing versus AJAX in this year's UC. Marseille even plays a Dutch team in the next round.
Plenty chance to get it back!

Bordeaux advanced to the next round of the French league cup, but they didn't exactly shine against second level side Châteauroux: 2-1. Phew... the Helond Cup is still at the top flight of French football. NExt up: an away game at Nantes in the French league. Nantes are having a disappointing season: they're 15th at the moment.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux: 2-1
17/01/09: FC Nantes - Girondins Bordeaux

K.

Bordeaux won again, and since there will be no league (or league cup) football in France next weekend they will keep the Helmond Cup 'til February.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux: 2-1
17/01/09: FC Nantes - Girondins Bordeaux: 1-2
01/02/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Lille Olympique SC

There is a fair chance that FC Twente will get the chance to bring the Helmond Cup back to Holland. Bordeaux play Lille on Feb 01 and Paris St. Germain (league cup) on Feb 04. If they win those two, then lose at Olympique Marseille on Feb 08, Twente might play for the Helmond Cup against Marseille.

Still a long way to go, but it's a reasonable chance.

K.

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux: 2-1
17/01/09: FC Nantes - Girondins Bordeaux: 1-2
01/02/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Lille Olympique SC: 2-2
04/02/09: Paris St. Germain - Girondins Bordeaux

Girondins Bordeaux... Still going strong. A serious test lies ahead for them on Wednesday: 'PSG' away, in the semi-final of the league cup. If we want a Dutch side to play for the Helmond Cup some time soon, it is important that Bordeaux survive this one - and lose it to Olympique Marseille this upcoming weekend...

K.

Bordeaux is 3-0 up against PSG (with minutes left to play), so this weekend (Bordeaux vs. Marseille) will be very important, considering the chances the Helmond Cup will return to the Netherlands! It becomes each week more realistic it shows up in Twente within due time...

Wie kent Cees de Wolf nog schreef:Bordeaux is 3-0 up against PSG (with minutes left to play), so this weekend (Bordeaux vs. Marseille) will be very important, considering the chances the Helmond Cup will return to the Netherlands! It becomes each week more realistic it shows up in Twente within due time...

Yep. 3-0 was the final score!

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux: 2-1
17/01/09: FC Nantes - Girondins Bordeaux: 1-2
01/02/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Lille Olympique SC: 2-2
04/02/09: Paris St. Germain - Girondins Bordeaux: 0-3
08/02/09: Olympique Marseille - Girondins Bordeaux

Allez, l'O.M., it's time to do your thing!

It would be pretty miraculous if the Helmond Cup returned to Holland so soon...

K.

L'OM did it!

They did, indeed!

They now have one fixture (a tricky away fixture at AS Monaco) to survive before they meet Twente!

2008-2009

31/08/08: FC Volendam - SC Heerenveen: 2-3
12/09/08: SC Heerenveen - Heracles Almelo: 2-2
18/09/08: Vitória Setubal - SC Heerenveen: 1-1
21/09/08: SC Heerenveen - NEC: 2-1
24/09/08: MVV - SC Heerenveen: 0-3
27/09/08: NAC Breda - SC Heerenveen: 4-2
05/10/08: FC Volendam - NAC Breda: 2-4
18/10/08: NAC Breda - PSV: 2-1
26/10/08: FC Utrecht - NAC Breda: 0-0
29/10/08: NAC Breda - FC Twente: 0-1
01/11/08: FC Twente - Ajax: 0-2
06/11/08: Ajax - MŠK Žilina: 1-0
09/11/08: Ajax - Sparta Rotterdam: 5-2
12/11/08: FC Volendam - Ajax: 1-0 (a.e.t.)
15/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - FC Volendam: 4-0
22/11/08: De Graafschap - Sparta Rotterdam: 3-3
30/11/08: Sparta Rotterdam - NAC Breda: 4-0
06/12/08: FC Twente - Sparta Rotterdam: 6-2
14/12/08: FC Groningen - FC Twente: 1-4
18/12/08: Paris St. Germain - FC Twente: 4-0
21/12/08: Paris St. Germain - Valenciennes: 2-2
04/01/09: EDS Montluçon - Paris St. Germain: 0-1
11/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Paris St. Germain: 4-0
14/01/09: Girondins Bordeaux - La Berrichonne de Châteauroux: 2-1
17/01/09: FC Nantes - Girondins Bordeaux: 1-2
01/02/09: Girondins Bordeaux - Lille Olympique SC: 2-2
04/02/09: Paris St. Germain - Girondins Bordeaux: 0-3
08/02/09: Olympique Marseille - Girondins Bordeaux: 1-0
15/02/09: AS Monaco - Olympique Marseille

K.