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afcajax73 schreef:That to me is absolutely unbelievable. It's one thing selling a player to another team, but when he's decent, and to a main rival and especially fword. Can't believe it.

Too good of a goalie to be a stand in, but Fwor?! Didn't see that one coming. Who was the last player to switch between us and Fword or vice verca? Vermeer has a lot to prove. I'm sure he will want to show Ajax that we made a mistake by dropping him to second place. It was no mistake. Something had to be done. His form was just too unpredictable.

King Litti schreef:...Who was the last player to switch between us and Fword or vice verca?...

The only name that comes to mind is Peter van Vossen -- but he didn't go direct -- played for a couple other teams (if my memory doesn't fail me), in between.

John Goossens is still at fword ,think he may be leaving them ,but he came from our youths.Same age as Anita and Sarpong and was big talent along with those 2.

@SPL - I think Goosens went somewhere first and then came to Feyenoord.

Goossens left us for NEC and joined Fword in 2012(I should have looked this up earlier as I did know he was somewhere else before F Word)

just watching sky, and QPR talking to Borini of Liverpool and Defoe may still end up there so looks like we are stuck with Siggy.

Jong Ajax defender Danzell Gravenberch has joined Cluj of Romania. They are now coached by George Ogararu with Alfons Groenendijk assistant. Good luck to the lad.

A third 16 year old has now left us,forward Mink Peeters has signed for Real Madrid. This kid left PSV 2 year ago to join us so we appear to be just a stepping stone for him. Still think we need to put the best 16 year olds under contract.

SPL schreef:A third 16 year old has now left us,forward Mink Peeters has signed for Real Madrid. This kid left PSV 2 year ago to join us so we appear to be just a stepping stone for him. Still think we need to put the best 16 year olds under contract.

The chances of him ever starting for Madrid are less than zero. Who advises these players?

Orange14 schreef:

SPL schreef:A third 16 year old has now left us,forward Mink Peeters has signed for Real Madrid. This kid left PSV 2 year ago to join us so we appear to be just a stepping stone for him. Still think we need to put the best 16 year olds under contract.

The chances of him ever starting for Madrid are less than zero. Who advises these players?

Their agents -- big bucks in it for them -- what do they really care about the kid's career.

Usually this is more for end of season but I see some players going in January. Moisander is not being offered a new contract and hopes to leave in January. He has not being playing as well this season and if does intend to leave then he should be on the bench with Denswil getting a run of games.

FDB said that Duarte is not good enough at present and he must be another candidate to leave.

Sana does not get into the Jong team and needs to be unloaded asap. I expect V d Hoorn to see the season out
but Ligeon can be loaned out in January with Tete and Owusu already as good if not better.

Most want Siggy out but who knows when he will leave as FDB still wants him .

The player I feel sorry for is Zimling. I dont see him playing. Serero missed 2 or 3 games with injury and Riedewald was put into the DM spot. Zimling could easily return to Mainz in January as it will take a couple of injuries for him to get a starting spot.

So I see more first team squad leaving in January than usual.

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@Tom - comments are hilarious! I think one of them is from someone on this board who gives Siggie a big shout out. Would love to see Spurs take him off of our hands but I don't think even they are that stupid (though I would like to be proved wrong).

Thought Tom was playing an April fools joke.Just hope somebody buys him in January.

I think all but one of the comments were from Ajax fans. Very funny!
Always thought Siggy would come through for the team, and certainly de Boer gave him every chance....

Also hope that Moisander finds a new club, he's been a good player for Ajax, until this season. It happens, but even if another club doesn't come in for him having him play is preventing his natural successor: Denswil, who I think has only one appearance for the first team. He's bigger, more physical and faster. He needs to play, and then sort out his contract depending how how he does play.

Perhaps Ajax may get a bid for one or two other players also. This squad has a lot of depth and don't think there's any need for Ajax to bring in any new players.

Kishna's agent Raiola has touted him with Milan.Contract runs to 2016 with an option to 2017.That was not straight forward when signed early in the year and I think Kishna will leave before the end of his current contract.If he opts for money I doubt we will hear very much of him again.Ajax need to know asap whether he wants to extend and stay.If not sell him asap and ask 10m for him.

LOL, he can join van Ginkel on the bench at Milan as Inzaghi won't play him. If we can get €10M for him right now, that's an appealing amount given his knee problems.

Now it seems that Moisander is not leaving after all. If I understood the translation from the ajaxshowtime site, FdB doesn't rate Denswil good enough to replace Moisander and they are going to hold on to him and let Denswill go. The horror performance against Vitesse in the cup I guess was one factor (though I didn't think Denwil played that badly). Maybe Moisander does bring at least a little leadership and experience that was missing in the cup tie.

Don't they both have an expiring contract? So there is a risk one or even both will leave as a free agent?

They have both an expiring contract, and they will both leave for free.
Denswill can even leave for free right away, excepted for PSV and Feyenoord...

BTW: I was looking for the player threads before you posted this, so if anyone is interested:
Moisander: http://www.ajaxtalk.nl/Forum/viewtopic. ... &p=1171936
Denswil: http://www.ajaxtalk.nl/Forum/viewtopic. ... &p=1219599

I thought Denswil's contract runs to 2016 but there is a clause that he can trigger based on playing time to get out of it. Moisander won't command much of a transfer fee which I guess is one reason the club will keep him on. Denswil never fully realized his promise but this happens all the time. Viergever & Riedewald can play central defense and Tete has also been mentioned there as well. Veltman played on the left for the NT in a friendly as well.

Denswil's contract runs to 2015 with a year option.It seems he wont sign unless Moisander goes and he knows he will be the replacement.This season with Moisander struggling Denswil has also not been that great. Ajax have decided that they wont be dictated to by Denswil over a new contract and as Denswil keeps saying he wont yet renew Ajax have said thats enough. Denswil's mental strength has been questioned by some and his agent has not done his client any favours.

Back in April Denswil indicated it was not money but he wanted to stay .Had he signed a long term contract then and started this season by playing his maximum for Jong Ajax ,which he has not, he would by now have probably replaced Moisander in the team. He appears unmotivated and hence Ajax have done the right thing.

Ajax have now gone against their policy of not playing players who are runnning down their contracts.Schone is different as he cost nothing .Moisander would at most only fetch 1m euros this next month but Ajax have decided to go along with him and see him go for nothing.

Very messy and unsatisfactory allround. Our back 4 is weak imo and Moisander needs to go but at present we need to replace him with a better experienced quality player in the centre of defence and not Denswil.

Ajax Showtime seems to be suggesting that it was at least partly because Ajax weren't happy with the way Denswil's agent was conducting the negotiations and decided to send a message by withdrawing their contract offer. Don't know if this is hogwash or not because his performances haven't been that great anyway.

Denswil's agent suggests he will stay to the end of the season as he really wants to make it with Ajax.Hopes to get some games and maybe renegotiate a contract at the season's end. I take this as hot air.

Incidently either this month or in the summer we will see quite a few players leaving.

Moisander ,Denswil ,Zimling,Sana and probably Schone ,all contracts expiring in the summer. Sigthorsson will be sold and Ligeon will go(Tete is as good already) plus Durate who has no future .

I expect Klaassen and V Rhijn to stay at least another season but V d Hoorn wont want to be a sub next season.

Finally Kishna has a contract to 2016 with a further 1 year option and Ajax will need to renegotiate with his agent Raiola before the end of the season.Last year was difficult to get him to sign and I can see the same happening this time.If so I can see Ajax saying goodbye in the summer.

No top class players in this group that cannot be replaced although I think we may have to buy 1or 2 players

Duarte has been told he can leave this month as he has no future and wont be going to Qatar.

Of my list yesterday of 8 certanties to go thats Denswil Sana and Duarte whio have been told they can go this month.I also read today that Sinkgraven is expected to join this month so hopefully we can send Zimling back to Mainz asap.

SPL schreef:Duarte has been told he can leave this month as he has no future and wont be going to Qatar.

Good thing. With Duarte not going on winter training camp we can pick another A1 boy to join the squad for Qatar. Robert Muric, Donny van de Beek and Abdelhak Nouri are already picked for this.

Ajax have said they want Becker(Contract to2017) and Ligeon (contract 2016) to go out on loan for the rest of the season to gain experience.

Becker at 19 has time to develop but competition is great at wing .

Ligeon needs games in the Eredivisie but if VRhijn stays another year Ligeon will go in the summer,with Tete the new no 2 and Owusu ,currently injured, challenging. If V Rhijn were to leave then maybe Ligeon will stay on
as experience whilst the above 2 kids breakthrough.