Ajaxtalk

philippe schreef:Consider where P$v were last year at the same time of the year, what the forecast was for them, and keep in mind that they were very close to make it to the CL final.
So all those talks about Ajax being so far from “big names” are just irrelevant.
Nothing is impossible for Ajax (it only takes a few more good players).

I would say that, more important than a few more good players, is to get the talented players we already have playing like a team, with a mission. I don't think that many more players are needed. Lord knows, there is no shortage of talent.

Yeh but Ajax keep getting East Europeans or Africans, they should go to latin america or keep some of ole Dutchies

ZoefdeHaas schreef:Yeh but Ajax keep getting East Europeans or Africans, they should go to latin america or keep some of ole Dutchies

You agree that we shouldn't get more players but on the other end we should get players, just not from the geographic places we are currently scouting them from?

I don't get the post...

Aveslacker..amen!

To me it's a joke that we keep flushing players through our team like a U21 national. We promote youngsters, they play well a few games, get a slump, get sold. We have no continuity, no players that get to feel that they can play bad a game and still have the confidence from the coach.

We do not have a team.

More players is definetly not the answer.

this discussion is getting weird : do you suggest that we just keep the same players ? :au:

Wow,

I was on here at 07.00 this morning, go to work and come home to a fully fledged debate.

I've not seen too much of some of our youngsters (certainly not live) but I would say, give the guys a break. I remember how close to the sack I was a 18 years of age for not performing and these are all just young lads. Re De Ridder, I agree, from what I have seen, he has had a slump but I certainly don't think he's a spent force. He's had no consistent first team place at all this season hardly and when he has played it's been as sub. Everyone has slagged players like "king" Yannis for supposed lack of form and the fact that with his experience he should know what he's doing etc. but surely the opposite is true...if we're talking about kids their bound to get "stage fright" or whatever the football equivalent is called and make a few mistakes.

I'm not saying that we should persevere with bad players who aren't up to scratch, just that we should be a bit less hasty in writing some of the youngsters off.

I can climb down off my soapbox now :D

I've just re-read my last post and before everyone jumps on my back, here's basically what I'm trying to get across.

All the youngsters we're talking about are in their late teens / early twenties right. As such, they're probably not fully formed as far as maturity and life experience etc. goes. If they're in and out of the team they're bound to take it bad as opposed to say Anastasiou or someone else of his age/maturity/experience.

I know there's a school of thought that they get paid a lot of money and are paid to perform etc and to a certain extent I sign up to that, certainly re. the older players but on another level, it's hardly their fault how much money footballers get paid and I doubt that Ajax (or any other team) sends the youngsters to "maturity /coping with pressure classes").

I'm suddenly starting to feel very old and wise (or an old fool) typing all this but I just need to get it down "on paper".

philippe schreef:this discussion is getting weird : do you suggest that we just keep the same players ? :au:

Yup!

EDIT: Swedish in the subtext.....what's this??

Per schreef:
EDIT: Swedish in the subtext.....what's this??

That's mine I guess - I got it from my Djurgardens DVD that I bought on Ebay.

My online translater couldn't cope but I thought it looked like a good word :D

What does it mean?

Ajax med fotbollsunderhållning = Ajax with football entertainment.

More important though - how the hell could you buy a Djurgården DVD?

That's just horrific!

Per schreef:Ajax med fotbollsunderhållning = Ajax with football entertainment.

More important though - how the hell could you buy a Djurgården DVD?

That's just horrific!

When I went to Stockholm a couple of years back I (almost :sad: ) went to see Hammarby and bought the DVD from when they won the league. That was good, I liked the grounds/kits and the atmosphere from when I stood outside the ground trying to find a ticket tout ( :nooo: :nooo: ). I actually got the DVD from Tradera not E-bay and I wanted the main Allsvenskan season highlights but the Djurgarden one was the only one listed. Good DVD by the way and "Ajax with Football entertainment" - I like that. :xyxthumbs:

Per schreef: Our level right now is nowhere near them - right now that is. And that's why it's so funny that they should rate Ridders. Are we or them totally off target on him?

Maybe english scouts feel he would succeed in their style of game. Didn't everyone in Italy think Bergkamp was crap? Just goes to show you can't succeed everywhere. Perhaps playing in England would suit De Ridder better.

If Pienaar isn't one of the best players in this squad then who is...

Maybe they're trying to get rid of him.

Fucking fuckers.

Van der Vaart's gone: give Pienaar some of his salary.

Frans schreef:

Per schreef: Our level right now is nowhere near them - right now that is. And that's why it's so funny that they should rate Ridders. Are we or them totally off target on him?

Maybe english scouts feel he would succeed in their style of game. Didn't everyone in Italy think Bergkamp was crap? Just goes to show you can't succeed everywhere. Perhaps playing in England would suit De Ridder better.

But he looked so promising a year ago, as did Mitea. What happened in between - stunted development? That's the impression I get. U-20 against England as an example - a lot of flash and skill with not much end product.

Ajax just want things cheap, and sell them big, (as if they ever do)
So I'm saying to get some talent which can actually be later sold big

SE6Ajacied schreef: That's mine I guess - I got it from my Djurgardens DVD that I bought on Ebay.

:xyxthumbs: :xyxthumbs: :xyxthumbs: :worshippy: :cheer:

I guess Sikora has found someone that truly loves him... The photo caption in this Sportinglife story is:

"Sikora - has joined Sikora."

He'll probably still get loaned out.

Ajax stopt besprekingen met Pienaar

Ajax heeft de onderhandelingen met Steven Pienaar afgebroken. De lokale Amsterdamse televisiezender AT5 meldt dat volgens algemeen directeur Arie van Eijden de kans op contractverlenging is verkeken. Een voortijdig vertrek is echter ook niet aan de orde want de Zuid-Afrikaan staat nog tot eind volgend seizoen onder contract in Amsterdam.

meaning Ajax stop negociations with Pienaar, whose leaving is not yet in order since he is under contract till the end of the next season. It is now very clear in my mind : they are trying to ruin the club.

don't forget, van eijden gets a big bonus if ajax turns a profit

it doesn't matter how big the profit is, as long as it's positive. so van eijden couldn't care less if ajax make a big profit by holding on the the best players and doing well in the champions league, he'd rather make a profit and make it now

so he's doing his best to scare pienaar away.

this reminds me of when arveladze wanted a new contract: all he wanted was the same money as he was already earning, but ajax offered less.

philippe schreef:Ajax stopt besprekingen met Pienaar

Ajax heeft de onderhandelingen met Steven Pienaar afgebroken. De lokale Amsterdamse televisiezender AT5 meldt dat volgens algemeen directeur Arie van Eijden de kans op contractverlenging is verkeken. Een voortijdig vertrek is echter ook niet aan de orde want de Zuid-Afrikaan staat nog tot eind volgend seizoen onder contract in Amsterdam.

meaning Ajax stop negociations with Pienaar, whose leaving is not yet in order since he is under contract till the end of the next season. It is now very clear in my mind : they are trying to ruin the club.

and now they are pulling the same crap with trabelsi

in het nederlands - http://www.vi.nl/vi/show/id=62802/conte ... /sc=5ca866

WTF is going on over there? so van shitbag is gonna get his bonus, then leave the club next summer right before a bunch of stars depart for free?

i hate him with the white hot intensity of ten thousand suns

Does Blind have any say in who stays and goes, after all it must be very hard to build a team when the board do not want to give contracts to players.

No team has ever been hit as hard as Ajax with Bosman and one would think they have learnt but now we are faced with Pienaar, Trabelsi Maxwell and De Jong going next season for nothing.

If indeed Ajax are looking for profits then why did they sell Chivu to a bankrupt club and Zlatan for a deal that does not pay up for 4 years.

These are not the actions of businessmen but amatuers.


When it comes to running a club only 1 team is run worse than us and that is Leeds u. They have got rid of all their big names for nothing and are still paying large parts of those ex players contracts.


In England no club can afford to see a player go on a bosman, even Arsenal are now to sell Pieres. who is nearly 32 as his contract runs out next year .

Maybe one day the Ajax board will tell the supporters why they are different to every other big team ( Do not hold your breath on this happening.)

In fairness though, they did manage to flog Andy van der Meijde for a tidy sum. But that was more down to the stupidity of Inter than the business acumen of the Ajax board.

I once saw a documentary about Ajax when they went to the stock market. ING bank was interested in investing heavily in Ajax when they were going to market. So the ING guys go round to Ajax to have a meeting and ask them about their plans in the future:

ING guy: "So, how do you guys plan to exploit the powerful Ajax brand in Europe and the world?"

Ajax guy: "Well, we've signed an advertising contract with Benni McCarthy to market his image in South Africa."

ING guy: "That's it? Anything else?"

Ajax guy: "Errr..emmm...errr... we'll see how this goes first hey"

Bloody amateurs. I hate to say it, but the Feyenoord or PSV chairmen would do a much better job.

Jack Reynolds must be turning in his grave.

An english news about the new Trabelsi "affair". It's now him that wants to extend his contract... :D It would be really funny if Ajax wasn't that stupid and was willing to offer what he wants, as for Pienaar, de Jong, Maxwell... :nooo:

Instead of "fighting" for the old logo, maybe it's time to sack the irresponsible responsibles of Ajax... :redcard: That's the real problem I think.
So create a website www.sack-vaneijden-asap.nl, prepare the rope to hang him in Leidseplein, distribute flyers, etc... Please :eusa_pray:

If they refuse to give Pienaar a new contract, I will hate the entire Ajax board for the rest of my life. What an ignorant wankers!

PIENAAR SHOULD STAY!!!

LXIV

Ok guys, time out! Alot of you are acting like he is the heir to Jari Litmanen. To be fair since his injury he hasnt exactly set the field alite, he has such feable shots even my old aunty can shoot harder then him. Dont get me wrong Im not saying he is surplus to requirements, but one should be paid in accordance to his performance, and he knows that!