Ajaxtalk

As much as I love my old neighbour Venny of Hessy, I don't think he's the type Ajax needs.

He's a great player, but I see the team aiming to play more fast-paced attacking football, so if we could get another Ibrahimovic, or a Adebayor type. Someone tall with technical skill, then it would be great.

ZoefdeHaas schreef:As much as I love my old neighbour Venny of Hessy, I don't think he's the type Ajax needs.

He's a great player, but I see the team aiming to play more fast-paced attacking football, so if we could get another Ibrahimovic, or a Adebayor type. Someone tall with technical skill, then it would be great.

VofH is very good technically... very few tall strikers in the game's history can do what zlatan does, so that's not a great measuring stick

Okay, we can forget Edson Braafheid.

He's in talks with Bayern München and has officially turned Ajax down. His agent just confirmed this.

Shame. He's a good defender and there's a limited fee of 2 million in his contract, so he would have been cheap.

K.

fu..k off.....

seems to me that mr. elia is on his way back soon

http://goal.com/en/news/462/netherlands ... ect-for-me

bluedaddy19 schreef:seems to me that mr. elia is on his way back soon

http://goal.com/en/news/462/netherlands ... ect-for-me

1. It's from goal.com, so a huge pinch of salt is needed
2. Buying Elia would be essentially admitting that Sulejmani is a bust, no?
3. We need defenders more than we need attackers.

So I would advise against this.

aveslacker schreef: 1. It's from goal.com, so a huge pinch of salt is needed
2. Buying Elia would be essentially admitting that Sulejmani is a bust, no?
3. We need defenders more than we need attackers.

So I would advise against this.

i don't necessarily agree with 1 or 2; the quotes are from a dutch interview i believe and suarez may well be going

that being said, as is the one attack need we have is another #9, not a winger

as for advising against, tell mr. jol :D

bluedaddy19 schreef:

aveslacker schreef: 1. It's from goal.com, so a huge pinch of salt is needed
2. Buying Elia would be essentially admitting that Sulejmani is a bust, no?
3. We need defenders more than we need attackers.

So I would advise against this.

i don't necessarily agree with 1 or 2; the quotes are from a dutch interview i believe and suarez may well be going

that being said, as is the one attack need we have is another #9, not a winger

as for advising against, tell mr. jol :D

Even if Suarez leaves (which I suspect he will), isn't Elia a left winger? So he'd still be in the mix for Mickey's spot. Sure, you could put one of them on the other side of the pitch, but why pay that much for someone you're going to play out of position. Seems like you're setting him up for failure.

I suppose we need another #9, but I think we can do with what we have, whereas we probably need a left back and another center back.

Elia can play right I believe. I too think Suarez will go.

We are linked with Croat Klasnic of Nantes 9m euros!!!!!!!!!11

SPL schreef:Elia can play right I believe. I too think Suarez will go.

We are linked with Croat Klasnic of Nantes 9m euros!!!!!!!!!11

Really?
Recently he's been linked with Hertha and Schalke also, so i don't see why he would choose us...

aveslacker schreef: I suppose we need another #9, but I think we can do with what we have

, whereas we probably need a left back and another center back.

1- we have only one, to me bodul is still jong ajax

2- one is not dependent on the other though... regardless of how many defenders we need or have, we cannot go through a season with one #9... can we?

id tell you that is why we lost the title this year, sold huntelaar and when cvitanich was hurt/suspended we had no true central striker

If we get Elia, I just think it means the Sulejmani at LW experiment is history . Bring in Elia to play LW. Return Sulejmani to CF , where he can battle the likes of Cvitanich or maybe Ivan Klasnic ( see the Ajax F -Side.nl blurb).

As for wingers, i still think we should have gone for Pranjic while we had the chance but now he ended up in Bayern...

Solution for #9 could be Marc Janko, we were linked with him a while ago or should we just wait for Miki, Dario or Darko to explode

Jojo schreef:As for wingers, i still think we should have gone for Pranjic while we had the chance but now he ended up in Bayern...

Solution for #9 could be Marc Janko, we were linked with him a while ago or should we just wait for Miki, Dario or Darko to explode

Looking back now, i think the wiser thing to do last year would have been to pay less than half as much and get pranjic instead

i would also freeze all winger buys until suarez leaves, as not only is there a good chance jol goes 4-4-2, but we also have rommedahl back and eager to make a mark here IIRC

janko is gonna run at least 6-7M and there are about 15 teams after him, so i kinda lost hope of him a long while back... on the other hand, players do slip if only because there are always so many options for clubs

i do not find mickey to be suitable as a #9 and im not counting darko as anything to count yet... it would be otherworldly if we could swing a loan for a guy like sahar or altidore to just fill the gap

bluedaddy19 schreef: i do not find mickey to be suitable as a #9 and im not counting darko as anything to count yet... it would be otherworldly if we could swing a loan for a guy like sahar or altidore to just fill the gap

You know I love me some Jozy, but he's a project too, with less experience in the system than Bodul. I wouldn't want him to be put in that situation at this point. I'd love to see him at Ajax, but in a situation where he could be given some time to develop.

aveslacker schreef: You know I love me some Jozy, but he's a project too, with less experience in the system than Bodul. I wouldn't want him to be put in that situation at this point. I'd love to see him at Ajax, but in a situation where he could be given some time to develop.

jozy is both far beyond bodul and younger

he has scored 35 pro goals, an olympic goal, 4 U20WC goals, several WCQ goals from 6 goals in 11 intl. matches, and was bought for $10M by a la liga club, for whom he scored on his debut at 18, AND he has played the 4-3-3 extensively, from both #9 and LW, both as a pro and a youth intl.

bodul has done nothing anywhere

bluedaddy19 schreef:

aveslacker schreef: You know I love me some Jozy, but he's a project too, with less experience in the system than Bodul. I wouldn't want him to be put in that situation at this point. I'd love to see him at Ajax, but in a situation where he could be given some time to develop.

jozy is both far beyond bodul and younger

he has scored 35 pro goals, an olympic goal, 4 U20WC goals, several WCQ goals from 6 goals in 11 intl. matches, and was bought for $10M by a la liga club, for whom he scored on his debut at 18, AND he has played the 4-3-3 extensively, from both #9 and LW, both as a pro and a youth intl.

bodul has done nothing anywhere

Yeah, I'm aware of his resume. But that resume also includes the fact that Jozy also couldn't get on the field for the Spanish second division side he got loaned to. He's got tons of skills, but he's clearly not near fully developed yet. If he came to Ajax, he'd be expected to contribute immediately, and personally I don't think he's ready for that just yet.

I watched our NT match against Honduras the other night and Altidore played the full 90. He still has a lot of trouble holding the ball when it's delivered. He has good pace and energy but is an unfinished player. He was right to go to Europe last season and I thought Villareal a good choice. However, with Pelligrini moving to Madrid, it's not clear what will happen with the club as he was really a good manager for them. Even if Altidore were to come to Ajax, it's not clear whether he would displace either Cvitanich or Bodul at this point in time.

aveslacker schreef: Yeah, I'm aware of his resume. But that resume also includes the fact that Jozy also couldn't get on the field for the Spanish second division side he got loaned to. He's got tons of skills, but he's clearly not near fully developed yet. If he came to Ajax, he'd be expected to contribute immediately, and personally I don't think he's ready for that just yet.

i disagree

for starters, his lack of PT at xerez had to do with the team not changing a winning lineup and a long injury layoff

he is more than capable of providing very able #9 support, if not outshining cvitanich

I watched our NT match against Honduras the other night and Altidore played the full 90. He still has a lot of trouble holding the ball when it's delivered. He has good pace and energy but is an unfinished player.

yes, and the two WCQ's this week were his first real games since before the surgery, or about 3 months

his touches were poor early, but he did almost all of the target work saturday and was very good over the final 60-70 minutes

i know it is our natural inclination to feel we overrate our american guys, but this one is different... this one is a legit monster; to make another comparison, he is also well beyond what rossi was at 19

the sky is the limit for jozy, physically, mentally and whatever ya got, plus as i mentioned playing for us would be a dream come true for him personally

bluedaddy19 schreef:

aveslacker schreef: Yeah, I'm aware of his resume. But that resume also includes the fact that Jozy also couldn't get on the field for the Spanish second division side he got loaned to. He's got tons of skills, but he's clearly not near fully developed yet. If he came to Ajax, he'd be expected to contribute immediately, and personally I don't think he's ready for that just yet.

i disagree

for starters, his lack of PT at xerez had to do with the team not changing a winning lineup and a long injury layoff

he is more than capable of providing very able #9 support, if not outshining cvitanich

I watched our NT match against Honduras the other night and Altidore played the full 90. He still has a lot of trouble holding the ball when it's delivered. He has good pace and energy but is an unfinished player.

yes, and the two WCQ's this week were his first real games since before the surgery, or about 3 months

his touches were poor early, but he did almost all of the target work saturday and was very good over the final 60-70 minutes

i know it is our natural inclination to feel we overrate our american guys, but this one is different... this one is a legit monster; to make another comparison, he is also well beyond what rossi was at 19

the sky is the limit for jozy, physically, mentally and whatever ya got, plus as i mentioned playing for us would be a dream come true for him personally

It's not that I worry about overrating him. I think he's got the skills to be great. I just don't want him to be rushed along faster than he ought to be. Isn't he 19 or something like that?

Selfishly (as a Nats fan), I'd also like to see him go somewhere where he will get consistent time with the first team. Apparently he's been told that this will be the case next year at Villareal/Xerez, but we've seen that promise made before - and broken.

I just worry that he would end up languishing in Jong Ajax or on the bench, although if Cvitanich is as injury prone as he was last year, that won't be a problem.

aveslacker schreef: It's not that I worry about overrating him. I think he's got the skills to be great. I just don't want him to be rushed along faster than he ought to be. Isn't he 19 or something like that?

Selfishly (as a Nats fan), I'd also like to see him go somewhere where he will get consistent time with the first team. Apparently he's been told that this will be the case next year at Villareal/Xerez, but we've seen that promise made before - and broken.

I just worry that he would end up languishing in Jong Ajax or on the bench, although if Cvitanich is as injury prone as he was last year, that won't be a problem.

he is 19, and very ready for this level and this style

i don't know where you got that thing about villarreal telling him that, but it is incorrect... his agent will soon meet with the club to see what their plans are under the new manager

we must have 2 "big" strikers to win the title, cannot do it with one, which we learned painfully this year

bluedaddy19 schreef:

aveslacker schreef: It's not that I worry about overrating him. I think he's got the skills to be great. I just don't want him to be rushed along faster than he ought to be. Isn't he 19 or something like that?

Selfishly (as a Nats fan), I'd also like to see him go somewhere where he will get consistent time with the first team. Apparently he's been told that this will be the case next year at Villareal/Xerez, but we've seen that promise made before - and broken.

I just worry that he would end up languishing in Jong Ajax or on the bench, although if Cvitanich is as injury prone as he was last year, that won't be a problem.

he is 19, and very ready for this level and this style

i don't know where you got that thing about villarreal telling him that, but it is incorrect... his agent will soon meet with the club to see what their plans are under the new manager

we must have 2 "big" strikers to win the title, cannot do it with one, which we learned painfully this year

He told the New York Times.

“I already have the reassurance I’m going to be playing games next year, no matter where I go, so I’m excited about that,” Altidore said.

aveslacker schreef: He told the New York Times.

“I already have the reassurance I’m going to be playing games next year, no matter where I go, so I’m excited about that,” Altidore said.

yes... "no matter where he goes"

the meeting to discuss exactly what this means has not yet occurred, trust me ;)

DT says when vermaelen goes, obradovic arrives for 6M

fine... now go drop 5 on suchy and find us a target striker

bluedaddy19 schreef:DT says when vermaelen goes, obradovic arrives for 6M

fine... now go drop 5 on suchy and find us a target striker

Nice to see we're looking outside the eredivisie for players. Anyone know anything about him?