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'Jaakke kiest te vaak eigen naam en faam'

1/11/2005 23:55

Keje Molenaar is supporter, kritisch volger en lid van Ajax. De advocaat was bovendien kandidaat om Arie van Eijden op te volgen. Met grote verbazing nam de oud-speler van onder meer Ajax, Feyenoord en Oranje vorige week kennis van het opstappen van de bestuursleden Klaas Nuninga en Hein Blocks.
In de nieuwe Voetbal International haalt Molenaar uit naar voorzitter John Jaakke, die volgens hem verkeerd bezig is. 'Dat Nuninga en Blocks vertrekken omdat zij het niet kunnen vinden met Jaakke is heel slecht. Ik neem aan dat Jaakke het beste voor heeft met Ajax, maar ik vind dat hij te vaak voor zijn eigen naam en faam kiest. Volgens mij zit hij té graag op het pluche.'

Molenaar zegt niet te spreken 'als iemand die uit rancune handelt' en heeft meer aanmerkingen op de weg die Jaakke met Ajax voor ogen heeft.

Jaakke does not seem to have many friends there, does he ?

Who's next then ? We won't get fooled again, will we ? Did you get there on the magic bus, Ko ?

So do you have any other 'target'? In my opinion he is not very good chairman. Ajax is a football club, not the toy factory. We need someone who knows anything about football business. I don't want to see how Ajax is destroying by this guy. I don't want to have Glazer's brother in my favourite team!

I really am curious and intrigued on how things work with the board and why is Jaake blamed over a couple of resignations and how he or everyone runs the club...can someone please enlighten me?

AsgAarD_xxx schreef:So do you have any other 'target'? In my opinion he is not very good chairman. Ajax is a football club, not the toy factory. We need someone who knows anything about football business. I don't want to see how Ajax is destroying by this guy. I don't want to have Glazer's brother in my favourite team!

I'm 100% with you that Jakke and some others have some explaining to do (and fans who spend a whole load of money following the team around and buying the shirts and shit have good reason to complain) but vandalising the guys car and the like go's way too far. He's a family man I know and frankly where does that sort of behaviour end.

Anyway, I'm sure he will be developing a seige mentality now (with his new security escort) so no doubt the offer to meet with 10 fans won't come again....one more possible channel of communication cut there so who's won that one?

The profit and loss statement of the current management indicates bankruptcy :
Profit :
Rosenberg.
Lindengerg
Loss :
Zlatan
Loss van Gaal
Van der Vaart

And that's all the fault of Jaakke? He is prepared to make tough decisions, which is realy necessary because the problems Ajax has are not a result of 2 year Jaakke's regime.

he is the man in charge, and things have gotten worse with him

Actually, Van Eijden is/was the man in charge. He is general director of Ajax NV whereas Jaakke's job is to monitor the directors. It's mostly a ceremonial job and I really don't see what the guy has done wrong so far.

The criticism started when Nuninga and ?? left because they didn't agree with Jaakke. That was sensitive because Nuninga is an ex-player of Ajax 1, but I don't really know why he'll be missed.

I think the supporters need a scapegoat but find it very hard to use Blind for that, so Jaakke is an easy target.

Arthur schreef:
I think the supporters need a scapegoat but find it very hard to use Blind for that, so Jaakke is an easy target.

It seems very strange to me to call the Chairman a scapegoat. : Oxymoron I would say.

guys, you have to help me on this ...
anybody know whats the phone number of Ajax office?
like how do i get them if i got some questions?

philippe schreef: It seems very strange to me to call the Chairman a scapegoat. : Oxymoron I would say.

How about Chairman = Moron?

;)

Arthur schreef:Actually, Van Eijden is/was the man in charge. He is general director of Ajax NV whereas Jaakke's job is to monitor the directors. It's mostly a ceremonial job and I really don't see what the guy has done wrong so far.

The criticism started when Nuninga and ?? left because they didn't agree with Jaakke. That was sensitive because Nuninga is an ex-player of Ajax 1, but I don't really know why he'll be missed.

I think the supporters need a scapegoat but find it very hard to use Blind for that, so Jaakke is an easy target.

Once again: you definitely have a point here.

We don't know what happened between Jaakke and Nuninga/Blocks. But... in general: Jaakke is a relative newbie in the club and a lawyer who doesn't know sh*t about football. Nuninga is an Ajax legend (one of the very few football 'thinkers' that Johan Cruyff will listen to), a true football man and an important 'guard' of Ajax football culture.

If those two people get a conflict, I don't see why it would be good for the club if the true Ajacied and football man loses out to the lawyer/newbie and walks out of the door. This is not a good thing. Another Ajax icon f*cked off, reportedly because Jaakke was constantly sticking his nose into technical affairs, which is:
1. not his department, but Nuninga's
2. something he doesn't have any knowledge about

Conclusion: I would love to hear the entire story behind it, but it is in fact a safe bet that I'm not on Jaakke's side in this one. Nuninga is a very calm, knowledgeable and friendly man, who truly loves the club. It really must be one hell of a job to make him pack his things and leave, but Jaakke managed to do it... Congratulations! :pukey:

K.

I don't want to be the "Jaakke fan" here, but in every business it takes time to reorganize, to change processes, to get a clear structure in the organization. I think we should give him that time.
Nuninga is a real Ajacied, that much is true, but fact is that Ajax has been having trouble for years now and the board hasn't done a good job in turning the tide. I have no problem with position changes in the management layers.
One thing is true, Jaakke should leave the technical stuff to the knowledgeable people. I guess no one knows what exactly happened between the two of them.

Van Eijden's follow-up Fortuijn made a great impression at a shareholders meeting today. He claimed to have been on the F-Side since he was thirteen.
The problem is that that was in 1965 while everyone who comes to the Arena regularly knows that the F-Side only started in '76 (there's a huge banner in the stadium).
:D

Honest boardmembers and Ajax are concepts that don't mix well.

Arthur schreef:The problem is that that was in 1965 while everyone who comes to the Arena regularly knows that the F-Side only started in '76 (there's a huge banner in the stadium).
:D

Honest boardmembers and Ajax are concepts that don't mix well.

The area known as F-Side was there in 1965, it was just that it wasn't full of fanantical hardcore fans. So he could have stood there.

AMSTERDAM - De directie van Ajax verdedigde zich maandag tegenover zo'n tweehonderd verschenen aandeelhouders over het gevoerde beleid. Vanwege de sportieve crisis bij de enige beursgenoteerde voetbalclub van Nederland had de algemene aandeelhoudersvergadering veel weg van een oorlogstribunaal. „Jaakke, wanneer gaat Blind weg?“
De hoge gemiddelde leeftijd van de aanwezigen in de Rinus Michels-zaal van de Amsterdam ArenA had waarschijnlijk veel te maken met het aanvangstijdstip van de jaarlijkse aandeelhoudersvergadering van Ajax. Zo'n tweehonderd veelal grijzende of kalende aandeelhouders van de huidige nummer negen van de eredivisie kregen vanaf elf uur van John Jaakke, Arie van Eijden, Martin van Geel en Jeroen Slop uitleg over het gevoerde beleid.
De voorzitter, algemeen -, technisch - en financieel directeur werden gesteund door de jaarcijfers van Ajax dat vorig seizoen voor het tweede keer op rij winst maakte. De sportieve resultaten stuitten op veel weerstand. Van alle agendapunten koste de rondvraag dan ook de meeste tijd.
„Meneer Jaakke, kunt u een einde maken aan die debiele dansjes na een doelpunt?â€

What the point to post message like this in the english section ??? :redcard:

You are right, Cedric, and I think I've asked this before...

Folks, please do not post lengthy Dutch articles in the English Zones of this forum. Not everybody over here speaks/reads Dutch (most of the people here don't, actually), so it doesn't really make any sense. If you think some Dutch-language article is of interest to the community, then please translate it for the others, or summarize it in English.

No copy-pasted Dutch text, please. Thanks.

K.

just to get it translated ..... :yes:

Kowalczyk schreef:

Arthur schreef:Actually, Van Eijden is/was the man in charge. He is general director of Ajax NV whereas Jaakke's job is to monitor the directors. It's mostly a ceremonial job and I really don't see what the guy has done wrong so far.

The criticism started when Nuninga and ?? left because they didn't agree with Jaakke. That was sensitive because Nuninga is an ex-player of Ajax 1, but I don't really know why he'll be missed.

I think the supporters need a scapegoat but find it very hard to use Blind for that, so Jaakke is an easy target.

Once again: you definitely have a point here.

We don't know what happened between Jaakke and Nuninga/Blocks. But... in general: Jaakke is a relative newbie in the club and a lawyer who doesn't know sh*t about football. Nuninga is an Ajax legend (one of the very few football 'thinkers' that Johan Cruyff will listen to), a true football man and an important 'guard' of Ajax football culture.

If those two people get a conflict, I don't see why it would be good for the club if the true Ajacied and football man loses out to the lawyer/newbie and walks out of the door. This is not a good thing. Another Ajax icon f*cked off, reportedly because Jaakke was constantly sticking his nose into technical affairs, which is:
1. not his department, but Nuninga's
2. something he doesn't have any knowledge about

Conclusion: I would love to hear the entire story behind it, but it is in fact a safe bet that I'm not on Jaakke's side in this one. Nuninga is a very calm, knowledgeable and friendly man, who truly loves the club. It really must be one hell of a job to make him pack his things and leave, but Jaakke managed to do it... Congratulations! :pukey:

K.

You think Nuninga might make a good ajax coach someday ????

Kowalczyk schreef:..., and I think I've asked this before...

K.

maybe you could tell us about this article instead ?
it seems funny and interesting and I am sorry for my fellow countrymen who have sent me very friendly personal messages about this but I am not sure to understand it ....

All the people (and there really were a lot) who were 'sure' that Ajax hooligans cut the tyres of John Jaakke's car and threw mordant all over it, will have to swallow their words: yesterday the 'attack' was claimed by the 'Animals' Liberation Front'.

John Jaakke has more enemies than just the hard core of Ajax fans. He is also a commissioner for GlaxoSmithKline, a major pharmaceutical company. This company is much discussed because they reportedly test their products on animals at the notorious Huntingdon Life Sciences centre in England.

Jaakke has reportedly received several threats from animal rights activists over the years. This was their work. They officially claimed it in the latest issue of their Ravage Magazine ('Havoc Magazine' or something like that) on the Indymedia.nl website.

K.

Kowalczyk schreef:All the people (and there really were a lot) who were 'sure' that Ajax hooligans cut the tyres of John Jaakke's car and threw mordant all over it, will have to swallow their words: yesterday the 'attack' was claimed by the 'Animals' Liberation Front'.

K.

So now I understand Phillipe's "against the zoo" byeline.

The Animal Liberation Front and Huntingdon Life Sciences is big news here in the UK. Some time ago some extremists dug up the corpse of the grandmother (I think) of a director of one of these testing companies (I think it was Huntingdon Life Sciences) and have "kidnapped" the remains.....I'm against animal testing too, certainly without question for cosmetic purposes but digging up dead bodies is pretty horid and extreme.

SE6Ajacied schreef:

Kowalczyk schreef:All the people (and there really were a lot) who were 'sure' that Ajax hooligans cut the tyres of John Jaakke's car and threw mordant all over it, will have to swallow their words: yesterday the 'attack' was claimed by the 'Animals' Liberation Front'.

K.

So now I understand Phillipe's "against the zoo" byeline.

The Animal Liberation Front and Huntingdon Life Sciences is big news here in the UK. Some time ago some extremists dug up the corpse of the grandmother (I think) of a director of one of these testing companies (I think it was Huntingdon Life Sciences) and have "kidnapped" the remains.....I'm against animal testing too, certainly without question for cosmetic purposes but digging up dead bodies is pretty horid and extreme.

Im getting a little confused here...wich party are the "animals"....Oh right they both are :D .

Johan Cruijff: 'Bij Ajax functioneert niets'

14/12/2005 10:24

Johan Cruijff is zeer kritisch op zijn oude liefde Ajax. De voormalige speler en coach van de Amsterdammers laat weinig heel van de club in het blad Sport Bestuur & Management, dat zaterdag uitkomt.
'Je kan wel zeggen dat ze daar slecht bezig zijn. Bij Ajax loopt geen enkel onderdeel van de organisatie synchroon met een ander onderdeel van de organisatie. Op dit moment functioneert er eigenlijk niks. Dat is heel treurig.'

Cruijff was in het verleden al eens klankbord en adviseur van het bestuur van Ajax en staat nog altijd open om zijn club te helpen. 'Ik heb ze jaren geleden al gewaarschuwd, maar ze hebben mijn adviezen niet overgenomen.'

'Als het een club die honderd jaar bestaat niet lukt om in de eigen geledingen een nieuwe voorzitter te vinden, moet er iets gigantisch fout zitten. Ik denk dat het inmiddels hoog tijd is om de hele club door te lichten, op elk gebied.'

nothing works at Ajax... they have not followed my advice ...not to find a new chairman inside the club was a huge mistake (translation to be confirmed)