07 Oct 2007: Sparta Rotterdam - Ajax

[orange goblin]

2-2 siem de jong....
luchy HTC

[Van basten]

If after this match, Ten Cate will stay at the club, i just don't imagine what should happen that he would leave.

Edit Kowalczyk: The man's name is Ten Cate... Emotions? Anger? Joking with names? It's all fine by me, but please know where to draw the line.

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Well i guess this is not a bad result after all...we stll get a point in a dificult playing ground...but the result is surely not enough to save ten twats ass...

[Manneken Pis]

Ten Cate's farewell game.

Goodbye.....have a nice life.

[bryan]

Ajax played extra time in a European match only 65 hours ago, this was always going to be a difficult fixture.

[Kowalczyk]

@ Van Basten: I have just deleted two of your posts in this thread (and slightly edited another one).

Football is emotion and primarily a boys' thing, so we won't get hysterical if someone drops a 'shit' or a 'fuck' every once in a while, but could you please try to calm down a little bit, compared to your posts of recent days? Many of your posts have been very abusive and rude, just for the sake of it. The two insulting posts I deleted were very directly and 'personally' aimed at Henk ten Cate as a person (they had nothing to do with the man's work as head-coach of Ajax; they were simply insults). Please think about where you draw the line. In this particular thread I had to draw it for you.

K.

[Van basten]

@ Van Basten: I have just deleted two of your posts in this thread.

Football is emotion and primarily a boys' thing, so we won't get hysterical if someone drops a 'shit' or a 'fuck' every once in a while, but could you please take it a little bit easier than you've been doing in recent days? Many of your posts have been very filthy and insulting, and in many cases very directly and 'personally' aimed at Henk ten Cate. Please think about where you draw the line. In this particular thread I had to draw it for you.

K.

Tough times, tough reaction.. anyway, i'll try not to cross the red line

[SPL]

Well at least we cannot blame Colin today.Ajax need to sort out the coaching position immediately.

[rjf1]

Well at least we cannot blame Colin today.Ajax need to sort out the coaching position immediately.

This same thing has happened with every coach we've had since Louis left the first time. Obvously, the problem is not simply the coach. The problem is with the front office management. That entire lot needs to be cleaned out before anything good will come.

[Philippe]

Obvously, the problem is not simply the coach. The problem is with the front office management. That entire lot needs to be cleaned out before anything good will come.

that's what I keep saying, fully with you on that one

[Over Pasanens Head]

Nah, the problem is with the women who wash the kit - they are putting too much starch in the shorts so that the lads find it hard to run in them. I say sack them, change the washing powder and then lets take stock and see how HTC and the lads perform.

This is one more point than we picked up last season at this ground. With that one extra point we would have won the eredivisie.

[SPL]

The only real success since Van Gaal was the 3 seasons under Koeman.
He and the team went off the rails in 2004/05 but things might have been different had we not sold Zlatan and also had we bought in a decent replacement. Selling your star striker on deadline day and not replacing him all season was probably one of the worst decisions made by this club.
The club have gone down hill since then and not recovered.

[saddlerian]

in 2004/05 but things might have been different had we not sold Zlatan and also had we bought in a decent replacement. Selling your star striker on deadline day and not replacing him all season was probably one of the worst decisions made by this club.
The club have gone down hill since then and not recovered.

Ring any bells??? Sneijder...Babel...where are their replacements??? It's the management cocking everything up, not necessarily HTC!!!

[SPL]

Was going to mention Sneijder, but think Suarez is not bad for Babel.

We could have mentioned Grygera going but I forgot his replacement
is Colin.

[bryan]

The only real success since Van Gaal was the 3 seasons under Koeman.

Hold on there a second. Morten Olsen's Ajax beat PSV to the title by 17 points in 1998 and the team scored an incredible 112 goals. It was the most successful league performance in the history of Ajax. And we beat PSV 5-0 in the Cup final.

Of course he was sacked six months later because Johan Cruijff said so.

[Philippe]

the stupid and greedy people in charge who decided and/or approved to sell Sneijder with no replacement (not a not good enough : none) at all have a huge responsability

[JohnyAjax]

So for the second time Ajax fuck up in the Eredivisie after an European disaster.
At least, mr henkie, you could just have tried to deal with your fucking psychic shitty problems or whatever problems you have, it doesnt matter you are leaving us soon enough. A win would have eased the pain, a very, very little bit, at least we wouldn't fuck up in the Eredivisie as well.

Not to mention 'an European disaster'... I am speaking of it like a regular part
of our calendar......

[Cedric]

So for the second time Ajax fuck up in the Eredivisie after an European disaster.

At least, it was the last time for this season....

[aveslacker]

The only real success since Van Gaal was the 3 seasons under Koeman.

Hold on there a second. Morten Olsen's Ajax beat PSV to the title by 17 points in 1998 and the team scored an incredible 112 goals. It was the most successful league performance in the history of Ajax. And we beat PSV 5-0 in the Cup final.

Of course he was sacked six months later because Johan Cruijff said so.

I thought that was because of the de Boer boys. Am I mistaken?

[DanK]

I really have no idea where the problem lies, but surely its not totally the coach? For the first 20min against VVV last week we couldn't even pass the ball to each other, unless the coach is not motivating the team, can't see how that is his fault entirely.

I'm not sure Rijkaard is the answer either. I remember his days at Sparta and really, well I am sure I could make Barca finish top 3 in Spain. That team could coach itself.

I just hope that whoever comes in can get our players to start playing football again and more importantly show some heart.

[Monkey Tonk]

You could write a book about why Ajax is no longer Ajax. One chapter would be 'Salary Cap'. Much can be said about this topic, and I was somewhat encouraged to see Platini at least touch on the subject of finances recently. The lack of a European salary cap, and the truckload of rich clubs in the big competitions, means we can't keep our players long enough.

Another chapter would be 'Players from Amsterdam and surroundings.' Ajax became Ajax because it embodied the spirit of Amsterdam. We had many local players, like Cruijff, Keizer, Swart, Rep (Zaandam), and Bergkamp, to name just a few, as well as a coach from the city in Rinus Michels. You're not going to tell me that Amsterdam no longer produces these type of players (with the exception of Cruijff). And I can guarantee you that players from the former East Block and Belgium are NOT going to grasp what it means to be an Amsterdammer. Their background is too different. Sometimes you do find a Chivu, in the Vasovic role, but the skeleton of the team should be local. Period. Not open to negotiation. So if we're going to start from scratch one of these days, let's please start there.

Other chapters? The Youth System (and why it is failing), The Coaching Carousel (and why they are failing), and a whole number of topics that are regularly discussed at AT.

[Philippe]

http://www.afca.nl/

[Kowalczyk]

Philippe, without saying that I like or dislike the man: I still don't really see why you are so focused on John Jaakke - and why you blame him for so many things.

He's the chairman of Ajax, the old club, and has no direct involvement in the daily affairs of Ajax, the company (= the professional football club).

It's not even that much of an exaggeration to say that Jaakke is to Ajax what Queen Beatrix is to The Netherlands. What you're doing is a bit like blaming Queen Beatrix (who has a 'formal' position, more than anything else) for the political mistakes of the chosen government.

Again: I'm not defending the man, but it seems like you don't entirely understand what Jaakke's position is. To say it bluntly: the chairman of the club isn't even important enough to get the blame for the failure of Ajax-1, really... It's the board of directors that your criticism applies to. The 'big boss' of Ajax by anyone's standards, the most important and powerful man within the club and the one responsible for the policy of Ajax as a professional company, is the general director of the board, Maarten Fontein.

K.

[Philippe]

thanks for your patient explanations, but all this was already clear.
Precisely, I think that the Chairman should have direct involvement in the daily affairs of Ajax, the company (= the professional football club).
I think it was so with van Praag.
By the way, I think some of the supporters also demand Jaakke to resign, according to various press reports. Maybe you should ask them too.

[Over Pasanens Head]

thanks for your patient explanations, but all this was already clear.
Precisely, I think that the Chairman should have direct involvement in the daily affairs of Ajax, the company (= the professional football club).
I think it was so with van Praag.
By the way, I think some of the supporters also demand Jaakke to resign, according to various press reports. Maybe you should ask them too.

Now I am completely confused. I thought that Ko was saying that you shouldn't be so harsh on Jaake as he is powerless. You agree but then appear to criticise him because he hasn't got that power. Maybe its a generation gap thing, but you have totally lost me now