19 Jan 2012: Ajax - AZ

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo dec 28, 2011 5:14 pm

So, this is Ajax's first official game of the New Year: the replay of the December 2011 KNVB Cup game that was abandoned.

Eleven versus eleven men. The full 90 minutes. Starting with a 0-0 score. No fans in attendance. That's the KNVB verdict. Oh, and Ajax are to pay a 10,000 euro fine.

It's weird, but it's the truth - so let's have it.

K.

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » wo dec 28, 2011 5:17 pm

The only thing more stupid is to ban any broadcast of the match (radio or TV) or maybe the KNVB will do this as well. Let's have a total black out of the match!

kezme44 · Bericht door **kezme44** » wo dec 28, 2011 5:18 pm

what a bs decision by a bunch of twats. let's destroy az.

acab · Bericht door **acab** » wo dec 28, 2011 6:45 pm

I'm not gonna watch it. Just like the rest of the season in Eredivisie. I'm too disgusted! It's crystal clear knvb has someting against Ajax

Tom_ · Bericht door **Tom_** » wo dec 28, 2011 11:48 pm

I'm really surprised about this. If the ref makes a call we don't like when we're 3-0 down, are we free to walk off and start the match again now?

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » do dec 29, 2011 12:02 am

Come on...

Are you really all convinced that what happened after the incident is more relevant than the incident itself, in this case?

Frans · Bericht door **Frans** » do dec 29, 2011 1:50 am

Cedric_AeF schreef:Come on...
Are you really all convinced that what happened after the incident is more relevant than the incident itself, in this case?

There are two incidents - The attack on the keeper for which Ajax has been punished, and the refusal of AZ to complete the game which hasn't.

The KNVB justification for restarting the match is also weak. (according to ESPN)

AZ were 1-0 down at the time of Esteban's dismissal, which was rescinded on appeal.

Because of that, the KNVB felt it would be impossible to restart from that point and would instead play the full 90 minutes.

Why not just restart at the 37th minute with Esteban still on the field?
Also, since AZ have effectively been compensated for a red card deemed incorrect by the KNVB, is every club who successfully appeals against a red card now going to receive compensation?

The rest of Ajax's punishment is fairly weak though, I guess that's some compensation.

acab · Bericht door **acab** » do dec 29, 2011 10:50 am

Every time i open dutch sport site or this forum, i get mad. More astonishing is how there are people, Ajaxfans, who actualy think this deicision is right. I just don't get it. How is that possible? May some of you, who is actually dutch of live in Holland explain it to me? i don't understand such sheep mantality from Ajax and the fans. The knvb must be under siege

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » do dec 29, 2011 3:23 pm

Frans schreef: Also, since AZ have effectively been compensated for a red card deemed incorrect by the KNVB, is every club who successfully appeals against a red card now going to receive compensation?

Red cards are appealed and rescinded all the time BUT in such cases game match results are not overturned! In this case we have a gutless manager (Verbeek) who was unhappy with the way the match score stood and used a phony excuse to pull his team off the field, casting his fate to the wonderful people who run the KNVB. Of course he knew the odds were in his favor of getting the result overturned since the match had not been completed; this is what makes me really angry and I guess I stand with ACAB on this point. Has anyone kept a running tally of all the goals that we have had overturned this season by idiotic officiating? I rank this one right up there with the two Madrid goals that we lost. Pretty weird season so far.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » do dec 29, 2011 7:05 pm

I definitely miss a Calimero smiley...

You can complain as much as you want about this frustrated Verbeek and the KNVB, the thing is that Ajax let a fool attack a player! [And I don't even blame Ajax for this, it's not hard for me to understand that it is impossible to filter every dumbass from a 35000+ people crowd]. From that moment, whatever the reaction of Esteban and AZ, the game was ruined for good.
I mean, when you see how Vermeer can play at Utrecht in normal circumstances, imagine him after such an attack, watching his back to avoid a hypothetic second incoming idiot.... I don't think you would find this very fair to continue the game like nothing happened. And I'm pretty sure that there would be a lot of people here to say that Utrecht are ugly bastards. And I don't mention the KNVB.

Venezuelan Ajacied · Bericht door **Venezuelan Ajacied** » do dec 29, 2011 8:25 pm

The team should just use this silly decision as motivation in order to kick the squat (not literally) out of AZ twice. That way we can show Verbeek amd the KNVB the finger.

Its going to be a spicy match indeed

paladinby · Bericht door **paladinby** » di jan 17, 2012 5:41 pm

It looks like AZ is loosing Wernbloom to CSKA from Moscow. Probably it's good for us.

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » di jan 17, 2012 7:58 pm

Boerrigter out for a few weeks and V d Wiel and Ebecelio are both out of this game .

Cruijff · Bericht door **Cruijff** » di jan 17, 2012 8:22 pm

Missing Van der Wiel is not a big problem. I prefer to see Ruben Ligeon getting some match experience.

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » di jan 17, 2012 10:26 pm

Boerrigter needs to seriously get on a Yoga program to strengthen his back muscles!!!

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do jan 19, 2012 1:56 pm

odd day with a game midweek at 13.30 GMT Luckily it has been raining here and I will be watching .

Team

Cillessen

Ligeon, Vertonghen,Alderweireld, Anita

Eriksen, Enoh, Janssen

Sulejmani,de Jong ,Lodeiro

hope for a win but 3 points against them on Sunday is more important.

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » do jan 19, 2012 2:26 pm

All the U-12 fans look to be having a great time waving flags and cheering. Let's hope they see a victory today!!

EDIT: Correction to SPL's lineup; Aisatti is in rather than Lodeiro at left wing

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do jan 19, 2012 2:28 pm

sopcast 13th stream 106491 works .

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do jan 19, 2012 2:38 pm

cheers Orange I was too quick with the team. More noise than a full house

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » do jan 19, 2012 2:42 pm

Great over the top pass from Eriksen and Siem was really cool and collected with a good finish!

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do jan 19, 2012 2:43 pm

lovely goal by Siem

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » do jan 19, 2012 2:57 pm

Poor defending allows Martens a clear shot which he doesn't miss. 1-1

Orange14 · Bericht door **Orange14** » do jan 19, 2012 3:19 pm

Very poor play by both fullbacks today and our midfield play is very inconsistent. We are still having problems getting out of our own end with too many long kicks by Cillesen that are not getting us anywhere. Once we are in the AZ half our offensive play isn't too bad. I suspect we will see at least three more goals in the second half.

SPL · Bericht door **SPL** » do jan 19, 2012 3:19 pm

another well taken goal by Siem and set up by Eriksen .Their goals were just a result of our poor defence

paladinby · Bericht door **paladinby** » do jan 19, 2012 3:37 pm

Our midfiled play is dreadful. We can't control the ball, can't create chances, loosing way too many balls which leads to counter-attacks, can't even get the ball out of the zone which was already mentiond. Our defence doesn't get much help from midfield also.

We are quite lucky not to be trailing at this point.