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SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » di mei 09, 2006 9:08 pm

This has got to be the most ridiculous story in a long while :nooo:

from bbc.co.uk

"No FA Cup final for theft victims

Fans whose tickets were stolen will not be given replacement tickets
More than 1,600 Liverpool fans whose FA Cup final tickets were stolen will miss out on seeing the match live, stadium officials have said.
The Liverpool fans' tickets for the game in Cardiff against West Ham United were stolen from a Royal Mail delivery van in Liverpool city centre on Friday.

A statement posted on the Millennium Stadium's website said it was sticking to its "no duplicate ticket policy".

Merseyside Police and stadium officials are warning fans not to buy tickets for Saturday's match at Cardiff from unauthorised sellers.

The Millennium Stadium's Emergency Safety Advisory Group Meeting said fans arriving with the stolen tickets, which have been fully logged and traced by ticket office headquarters, will not be admitted to the ground.

The more than 1,600 seats at the sold-out match will be left empty and anyone sitting in them will be ejected by stadium officials.

The stadium holds 74,000 with Liverpool and West Ham allocated 24,436 tickets each for the game, with the rest going to the FA.

Millennium Stadium chief executive Paul Sergeant said: "We have every sympathy for those football fans who have had their tickets stolen and have looked at all possibilities of re-seating these people, but after a meeting with our safety advisory group we are standing by our no duplicates policy."

"I'm sure all football fans will understand that we simply don't have spare seats for an FA Cup final and we cannot compromise on segregation or the safety of our employees - we're full!

"There is no other way of managing this situation."

Merseyside and South Wales Police are investigating and will have a strong match presence.

Chief Superintendent Bob Evans, of South Wales Police, said: "We fully support the Millennium Stadium in its no duplicate ticket policy and officers will be rigorously enforcing this on the day."

Surely it's not beyond the wisdom of these people to print a different colour or something for the replacement tickets instead of just dogmatically sticking to a 'no-replacement' policy. From what I saw on the TV as well it seems to be a money thing rather than a security thing...it'll obviously be easier (and cheaper) to let everyone in the ground and then deal with anyone who sits in the closed area with a stolen ticket (where it will be obvious who they are) than to deal with it outside the ground and let those with replacements in while detaining those with the nicked ones..... :sad:

Leglaen · Bericht door **Leglaen** » vr mei 12, 2006 3:24 am

Well, it's nice to see that crime never pays:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 763239.stm

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » vr mei 12, 2006 6:06 am

I wonder if the 1,600 supporters will be refunded their money? Or was that idea hijacked from the same mail van?

Manneken Pis · Bericht door **Manneken Pis** » vr mei 12, 2006 7:01 am

Leglaen schreef:Well, it's nice to see that crime never pays:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 763239.stm

Resigning...pff...big deal.
Castration without anaesthetic is more like it.

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » vr mei 12, 2006 9:51 pm

Well, well. well, there's even more to this story than just the 'Old Lady'. Can't say I'm terribly surprised.....

from bbc.co.uk

"Match-fixing probe rocks Serie A

Turin-based Juventus are Italy's most successful club
Prosecutors are investigating top clubs, referees and officials for suspected match-fixing in the biggest scandal to hit Italy since the 1980s.
Two senior officials of Juventus, Italy's most successful club, are among 41 people under formal investigation.

Six-times European champions AC Milan as well as Lazio feature in the probe of 19 league games from last season.

In Rome, police searched the soccer federation's offices and those of the referees' association.

Referee Massimo De Santis, who will take part in next month's World Cup in Germany, is being investigated in the probe.

The crisis led incoming Prime Minister Romano Prodi to suggest that a political 'commisar' be put in charge of the Italian Football Federation (FIGC).

Franco Carraro resigned as FIGC president on Monday and is also under investigation by Naples magistrates.

Carraro responded to reports earlier this week that he was under investigation by saying: "I am absolutely calm because I know I have always acted correctly.

"Over the years I have featured in many investigations from magistrates and I have always been cleared or acquitted."

The worlds of business and politics are closely linked to Italian football - former prime minister Berlusconi is owner of AC Milan while the powerful Fiat-owning Agnelli family effectively control Juventus through a holding company.

Leading Italian businessman Diego Dalle Valle, owner of the luxury goods firm Tod's and honorary president of Florence club Fiorentina, was also named on Friday along with his brother Andrea.

Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi and CEO Antonio Giraudo are at the centre of the scandal which was triggered by the publication of telephone taps of them discussing refereeing appointments with senior federation officials.

On Thursday the board of directors of Juventus resigned en masse ahead of a shareholders' meeting on 29 June.

Turin magistrates have put Giraudo under investigation for possible false accounting relating to transfer dealings.

Magistrates in Rome are examining the operation of the GEA management company, which controls almost 200 players and coaches and is headed by Moggi's son Alessandro.

Juventus are strong favourites to win their 29th Italian title on Sunday's final day of the season, although the status of last season's win now depends on the outcome of the investigations.

If Juventus were to be found guilty of "sporting fraud", they could be stripped of their title win and face demotion to the second tier Serie B.

In the last major scandal to hit Italian football, AC Milan and Lazio were demoted to Serie B in 1980 following a match-fixing and illegal gambling investigation."

Ayman · Bericht door **Ayman** » vr mei 12, 2006 10:05 pm

Juventus demoted to serie B, if found guilty? Well that would be dream come true :yes:

Juve = Scum

carcajou · Bericht door **carcajou** » vr mei 12, 2006 11:28 pm

Ayman schreef:Juventus demoted to serie B, if found guilty? Well that would be dream come true :yes:

Juve = Scum

They will probably organize a huge fraud to win their case in court.

Juve in Serie B? Not a chance....

AsgAarD_xxx · Bericht door **AsgAarD_xxx** » ma mei 15, 2006 11:31 am

I think you're right :sad: . But if they have the proofs that Juventus was part of game-fixing, they should be relegated!! If members of italian federation are brave enough, they should punish them. And won't care how famous and rich Juventus is. They should do the same as french federation has done with Olympique Marseille a few years ago.

Over Pasanens Head · Bericht door **Over Pasanens Head** » ma mei 15, 2006 11:40 am

Juve should be relegated, but they won't be as some loophole will be found to allow them to wriggle through.

Interesting to note that Inter are apparently whiter than white and about the only club that can clainm so in the top Italian division - another reason to love them eh Philippe :D

jakobg · Bericht door **jakobg** » ma mei 15, 2006 3:20 pm

This far it actually seems like Juventus will be relegated. An Italian newspaper (don't remember which of them) wrote that it was 99 % sure Juve will be in Serie B next season.

However, this is Juventus we're talking about. We have to wait until the investigations are over before anything is sure. If half of what is said is true, there should be no question about it though.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma mei 15, 2006 4:38 pm

jakobg schreef:This far it actually seems like Juventus will be relegated. An Italian newspaper (don't remember which of them) wrote that it was 99 % sure Juve will be in Serie B next season.

However, this is Juventus we're talking about

... and, in addition to that: it's Italy we're talking about.

They'll think of something, if you know what I mean.

K.

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » ma mei 15, 2006 8:58 pm

Talk about theater of the absurd : Silvio Berlusconi whining about Juve's corruption.Like George Bush whining about violence in Iraq. First, no corruption in Italian politics.NOTE: Previous sentence is dripping in sarcasm. Second, I heard a report that Milan is also being considered for investigation in the current scandal.Fox Sports World here in the USA reported same.

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » wo mei 17, 2006 8:22 am

Spent some time today going through my old VHS tapes. I forgot how many I have with Dutch or Ajax games on them. I pulled out the 1992 UEFA Cup final (1st and 2nd leg) Ajax - Torino. FYI - This was the Ajax starting 11:
Menzo
Blind
De Boer (F)
Siloy
Jonk
Winter
Van't Schip
Kreek
Bergkamp
Petterson
Roy

The only change for the 2nd game in Amsterdam was Alflen in for a flu ridden Bergkamp.

It was interesting to see some of these games. Jonk's goal in the first leg was an absolute stunner. It was also funny to hear the commentator mention that Roy was targeted to be the next big thing...hehehe

Was good to see Blind in action as well :xyxthumbs:

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo mei 17, 2006 8:35 am

Yeah - I remember those games very clearly. In Turin Ajax would have deserved a bit more than a 2-2 draw. They played very well over there. But in the home leg it could have gone unbelievably wrong. Torino hit the woodwork three times, including a header (Casagrande) from close range and a shot that took a deflection and trickled slowly against the post. One of the most nerve-wracking experiences I've ever had at the old Olympic.

If you want to know where I sat, just find the moment on the video where Stefan Pettersson breaks his collarbone by falls on the corner flag in a very unfortunate way. I was right in that corner. I could hear him scream in agony. He did appear on the balcony in Leidseplein, though, after a visit to the hospital.

The best part of the evening was the long walk from Olympic Stadium to Leidseplein, after the game. There were no trams, because the number of people going to Leidseplein was simply too big. That's why the city turned the walk into a long 'triumph parade': 50,000 fans walking down Overtoom, singing and jumping, little brass-bands on every corner of the street and all the balconies full of people. Many had put the speakers of their stereos on the balcony and played Ajax tunes. Awesome.

14 years ago. F*ck's sake.

K.

afckeeper95 · Bericht door **afckeeper95** » wo mei 17, 2006 11:13 am

I remember those games very well. It was the first year I started seriously following Ajax, and I remember seeing the cup final on tele. 14 years ago... :sad:

FlaFlu · Bericht door **FlaFlu** » wo mei 17, 2006 5:33 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:Yeah - I remember those games very clearly. In Turin Ajax would have deserved a bit more than a 2-2 draw. They played very well over there. But in the home leg it could have gone unbelievably wrong. Torino hit the woodwork three times, including a header (Casagrande) from close range and a shot that took a deflection and trickled slowly against the post. One of the most nerve-wracking experiences I've ever had at the old Olympic.

If you want to know where I sat, just find the moment on the video where Stefan Pettersson breaks his collarbone by falls on the corner flag in a very unfortunate way. I was right in that corner. I could hear him scream in agony. He did appear on the balcony in Leidseplein, though, after a visit to the hospital.

The best part of the evening was the long walk from Olympic Stadium to Leidseplein, after the game. There were no trams, because the number of people going to Leidseplein was simply too big. That's why the city turned the walk into a long 'triumph parade': 50,000 fans walking down Overtoom, singing and jumping, little brass-bands on every corner of the street and all the balconies full of people. Many had put the speakers of their stereos on the balcony and played Ajax tunes. Awesome.

14 years ago. F*ck's sake.

K.

Sounds f*cking awesome, Ko. I hope to experience something like that someday.

Henk de Gier · Bericht door **Henk de Gier** » wo mei 17, 2006 5:49 pm

:worshippy:

I remember that clearly too, don't remember much of the afterparty though ;)

AsgAarD_xxx · Bericht door **AsgAarD_xxx** » di mei 23, 2006 10:45 pm

Kazimierz GÃ³rski, the best polish coach ever, is dead X'C . He was creator of fantastic polish team, which have won Olympic Games in Munchen '72, were 3rd in a World Cup in Germany '74 and 2nd in another Olympic Games - in Montreal '76. GÃ³rski was a coach of Legia Warsaw, Panathinaikos Athens He has won a lot of games, but lost the most important one - a game against cancer :sad: . For football fans in Poland he was more than a coach - he was an example to follow on a pitch, coaching bench and in private life.

He has died in a hospital in Warsaw, at the age of 85.

DanK · Bericht door **DanK** » wo mei 24, 2006 11:23 am

AsgAarD_xxx schreef:Kazimierz GÃ³rski, the best polish coach ever, is dead X'C . He was creator of fantastic polish team, which have won Olympic Games in Munchen '72, were 3rd in a World Cup in Germany '74 and 2nd in another Olympic Games - in Montreal '76. GÃ³rski was a coach of Legia Warsaw, Panathinaikos Athens He has won a lot of games, but lost the most important one - a game against cancer :sad: . For football fans in Poland he was more than a coach - he was an example to follow on a pitch, coaching bench and in private life.

He has died in a hospital in Warsaw, at the age of 85.

I think all Ajax supporters can feel your pain. It was only last year we lost the general. In Australia we also had 'Captain Socceroo' Johnny Warren, who was in our only previous WC campaign in 74, but more importantly is part of the reason we are there now and are also playing within Asia. He also lost the battle with cancer and we had a moving tribute to him at the Aust-Uruguay game last year. Sadly he wasn't there to see us qualifiy, but his and the others mentioned here, legacy will live on.

acab · Bericht door **acab** » wo mei 24, 2006 7:47 pm

AsgAarD_xxx schreef:Kazimierz GÃ³rski, the best polish coach ever, is dead X'C . He was creator of fantastic polish team, which have won Olympic Games in Munchen '72, were 3rd in a World Cup in Germany '74 and 2nd in another Olympic Games - in Montreal '76. GÃ³rski was a coach of Legia Warsaw, Panathinaikos Athens He has won a lot of games, but lost the most important one - a game against cancer :sad: . For football fans in Poland he was more than a coach - he was an example to follow on a pitch, coaching bench and in private life.

He has died in a hospital in Warsaw, at the age of 85.

i heord a lott of gorski. my old mann says, that he was 1 of the greatests :sad:

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » vr mei 26, 2006 11:16 pm

It's amzing how sensitive Arsenal fans still are about the Champions League!

Just met two Gooners on the train home from Central London and decided to mention Reyes's blatent dive in the game at the ArenA.

Cue one of their girlfriend's wishing I'd not mentioned that and all manor of accusations of being a glory hunter from these Arsenal fans from Lewisham/Dartford and other such places NOT VERY NEAR HIGHBURY.

Anyway, Ajax are the best! Now I'm going to bed to sleep it off!!! zzzzzzz

Blind3 · Bericht door **Blind3** » za mei 27, 2006 3:55 am

Sorry to hear about the death of Coach Gorski.Watching closed-circuit tv broadcasts of the matches of the Dutch and Polish sides during the 1974 WC finals introduced to just how beautiful a game football is. Football is much worse for the passings of Kazimierz Gorski and, previously , Rinus Michels.

carcajou · Bericht door **carcajou** » di mei 30, 2006 5:54 pm

Salomon Kalou to Chelsea? :D :yes:

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » di mei 30, 2006 9:12 pm

carcajou schreef:Salomon Kalou to Chelsea? :D :yes:

So much for him playing for Holland then....

aveslacker · Bericht door **aveslacker** » di mei 30, 2006 10:02 pm

Salomon-

Moving to Chelsea will do wonders for your career.

Signed,

Sean Wright Phillips