Kenneth Perez

Ayman · Bericht door **Ayman** » ma dec 11, 2006 10:18 pm

Dws said:

Im right on both counts

No offense or anything, but I hope you were high or drunk when you sent your last post.

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma dec 11, 2006 10:48 pm

Ayman schreef:Dws said:

Im right on both counts
No offense or anything, but I hope you were high or drunk when you sent your last post.

I'm beginning to think that you and Philippe are one and the same.

Ayman wrote:
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Living in London, with the influx of EU, alot of people have suffered racial abuse from them, excluding the 'white' living here e.g. SE6Ajacied. Now when your pounded with racial abuse by a vast majority of ethnic minority, your emotions are bound to take over your coherent thinking from time to time. Believe it or not, we have 2 part time polish maids who come and clean our house (No I am not rich), even they are heavily critical of their own people, and they dont even know or see each other, a coincidence? Nope! Now what was Perez's cause for his comments, just because a decision or several decisions went against him?

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I believe the above reads as an exercise in self justification. To put it another way - Ayman, you are offering up an excuse for your bad behaviour.

Ayman · Bericht door **Ayman** » ma dec 11, 2006 11:15 pm

No I swear I am not.

FlaFlu · Bericht door **FlaFlu** » di dec 12, 2006 5:20 am

The Purple Cow schreef:
Thomas schreef:So if you were to call a woman a dumb skank, that would mean that you have something against women?
Well of course it does.

Not in my opinion. The woman could just be a dumb skank. And if someone would say that to her in the heat of the moment of a hefty argument it doesn't mean that they have lost respect for all women.

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » di dec 12, 2006 8:33 am

Thomas schreef:
The Purple Cow schreef:
Thomas schreef:So if you were to call a woman a dumb skank, that would mean that you have something against women?
Well of course it does.
Not in my opinion. The woman could just be a dumb skank. And if someone would say that to her in the heat of the moment of a hefty argument it doesn't mean that they have lost respect for all women.

At the risk of starting this one up again, I agree with you, but also think you're totally missing the point. I'll use "jokes" to try and illustrate what I'm saying. Despite what anyone might think, I'm not all that PC all the time so I'll accept that you can have a fairly amusing, mildly sexist joke. Possibly also a mildly xenophobic joke but much less so with homophobia and certainly not really a mildly racist joke. I know this is off the point a bit but I'm trying to illustrate that racism is just that much worse than any other kind of discrimination in my and many other peoples opinion. Mike Newell, manager of English second level Luton Town recently openly and loudly abused a female linesman in the press following a game. Although there was a whole lot of fuss and he got into trouble, it just wasn't anything like at the level as if it had been racist abuse. He just looked a total dickhead to be frank. I don't think that's because people don't take sexism seriously, they do, that's why there was so much fuss. It's just not seen at the same level as racism that's all. As has already been mentioned as well, there isn't a huge sexism problem in football at the moment, with a big campaign against it whereas there is with racism, that's another reason why this is different. Anyway, I realise some people might want to reply to me but I hope we can draw this one to a close.

The link to that story is here btw http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6213966.stm

AsgAarD_xxx · Bericht door **AsgAarD_xxx** » wo dec 13, 2006 7:50 am

Now we have a discussion, which is not certainly connected with football, Ajax and Kenneth Perez. Do you think it will be a good idea to make some new part of Ajax-USA (some kind of Hyde Park), when we could talk about non-football things?
It would be nice to know a bit more of Ajacieden here...

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo dec 13, 2006 11:57 am

There are two threads for that: the Grab Bag for Random Posts for discussions that don't have anything to do with football and the Personal Introductions thread for getting to know fellow Ajax USA'ers.

Please do note that we do not want any political discussions in those threads. We've had bad experiences with that in the past. We want Ajax USA (and this forum) to be a place where non-Dutch Ajax fans can unite and discuss football. If you want to discuss politics, please do it elsewhere. There are better forums for that - and I don't feel like moderating that type of discussion.

K.

FlaFlu · Bericht door **FlaFlu** » wo dec 13, 2006 12:13 pm

Ko has seen how it's gone on the Dutch side of the forum and there is no way he wants the English side to turn into that. :D

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » wo dec 13, 2006 1:19 pm

Thomas schreef:Ko has seen how it's gone on the Dutch side of the forum and there is no way he wants the English side to turn into that. :D

It's not exactly an example to me - that's right. But the bad experiences I am referring to I had on our previous discussion forums: SoccerPages and particularly the old Greenspun/Lusenet forum. Back in the day we had loads of Egyptian Mido fans visiting our forum, which meant that we had two very large groups of perfectly friendly Ajax supporters who for some reason always get a lot of stick: Arabic people (Muslims, if you wish) and American people (Europeans love to push them into the corner and tell them how they feel about the current U.S. administration).

That's when I decided: right, I don't want this anymore. No religious and political issues on Ajax USA. Call me a tyrant and a dictator, but I don't want it and I will delete everything that even smells like it (*). And if people start moaning about that I will call it quits as a moderator and focus on the actual Ajax USA website. I simply don't feel like it. Ajax USA is a place where Ajacieden from all over the world can chat about their club, without politicial and religious tensions.

That's what I want Ajax USA to be - and if I can't make that happen I'll throw in the towel, plain simple.

(*) These are the only things I have deleted over the years: political stuff, religious stuff, the odd racist posting from a nutjob and discussions where people started hurling serious abuse at each other. I have absolutely never deleted any opinion on Ajax or football whatsoever.

K.

AsgAarD_xxx · Bericht door **AsgAarD_xxx** » wo dec 13, 2006 2:35 pm

Ok, I think I understand you...

FlaFlu · Bericht door **FlaFlu** » wo dec 13, 2006 5:52 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:
Thomas schreef:Ko has seen how it's gone on the Dutch side of the forum and there is no way he wants the English side to turn into that. :D
It's not exactly an example to me - that's right. But the bad experiences I am referring to I had on our previous discussion forums: SoccerPages and particularly the old Greenspun/Lusenet forum. Back in the day we had loads of Egyptian Mido fans visiting our forum, which meant that we had two very large groups of perfectly friendly Ajax supporters who for some reason always get a lot of stick: Arabic people (Muslims, if you wish) and American people (Europeans love to push them into the corner and tell them how they feel about the current U.S. administration).

That's when I decided: right, I don't want this anymore. No religious and political issues on Ajax USA. Call me a tyrant and a dictator, but I don't want it and I will delete everything that even smells like it (*). And if people start moaning about that I will call it quits as a moderator and focus on the actual Ajax USA website. I simply don't feel like it. Ajax USA is a place where Ajacieden from all over the world can chat about their club, without politicial and religious tensions.

That's what I want Ajax USA to be - and if I can't make that happen I'll throw in the towel, plain simple.

(*) These are the only things I have deleted over the years: political stuff, religious stuff, the odd racist posting from a nutjob and discussions where people started hurling serious abuse at each other. I have absolutely never deleted any opinion on Ajax or football whatsoever.

K.

I completely understand. :xyxthumbs:

And just to be clear, I wasn't criticizing you.

As a matter of fact, I wanted to ask you something via PM. :D

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » do mar 15, 2007 3:11 pm

Okay, this is not necessarily true, but very annoying nonetheless.

According to Voetbal International (the magazine itself; I don't think it's on their website, VI.nl) players such as Jaap Stam, Edgar Davids and Wesley Sneijder are fed up with Kenneth Perez, who is reportedly a very negative factor within the Ajax squad, constantly moaning about the fact that he's not a starter. According to the article Sneijder at some point yelled something like "one of us must go, it's either him or me!". Meanwhile, Perez is said to have 'wrapped KJH around his finger'.

I must say: I've read the article and it's all very vague and sleazy. Could be complete bollocks. coming from that fat scumbag Johan Derksen, only to create a little 'indoor fire' at Ajax, but you never know.

Publications like these are very undesired, no matter what, especially with PSV vs Ajax coming up.

K.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » do mar 15, 2007 3:27 pm

If it has the same effect that the AD article of last week, it can't be bad... :D
It is also rassuring as Sneijder doesn't seem to want to leave at all cost this summer (my interpretation

)
Anyway, the timing is once again "curious"... and I wouldn't be surprised that this is another piece of crap. But if it's true, well, that sucks a lot...

Edit : Ajax.nl just published a long interview of van Geel about that article... They seem to take this seriously. I don't understand many things but basically, I guess he's just saying that's just bullshit. ;)

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » vr mar 16, 2007 11:27 am

A too long interview just to conclude that things should not be made bigger than they are ...

It is clear that although a very player Perez as a person is problem for Ajax.

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr mar 16, 2007 11:40 am

A bit odd, this...

An 'interview'... *LOL* This is, of course, an official statement 'dressed up' as an interview. And the very fact that they're publishing it, makes clear that they're taking this more seriously than they like to admit.

K.

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » vr mar 16, 2007 12:04 pm

besides, they quote VI stating that the signing of Perez was a "strategical blunder" .... not a very good sign :X

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » vr mar 16, 2007 12:39 pm

I haven't actually been on the official site for a while but just logged on. Is it any coincidence I wonder that when you go to Ajax.nl, and before you get into the site itself, you get an advert selling tickets for the upcoming games with a big picture of Perez and Sneijder hugging each other :hypocrite:

SE6Ajacied · Bericht door **SE6Ajacied** » vr mar 16, 2007 12:48 pm

OK, I've read the "interview" now. It does seem very long if there's nothing in it??? The bit about arguements being supposed to stay private and confined to the dressing room also speaks a thousand words.....

Anyway it's always good to see what Martin of Yellow and Jaap Descend have to say on these issues ;) (thanks to freetranslation.com)

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » vr mar 16, 2007 12:49 pm

The whole squad was on the training pitch this morning, apart from five people: Henk ten Cate, Kenneth Perez, Wesley Sneijder, Jaap Stam and Edgar Davids...

They probably stayed inside to watch As The World Turns together...

K.

Philippe · Bericht door **Philippe** » za mar 17, 2007 5:05 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:The whole squad was on the training pitch this morning, apart from (.....) : Henk ten Cate...

K.

this is good sign ;)

Bericht door **Kowalczyk** » ma apr 09, 2007 4:45 pm

Perez must play against NAC, now that Sneijder is suspended. No bullshit. HTC, what's your problem? Perez is one of those players who can win a game on his own. He has moments of brilliance and he also has a click with KJH. Perez must play. Period.

K.

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma apr 09, 2007 8:02 pm

Kowalczyk schreef:Perez must play against NAC, now that Sneijder is suspended. No bullshit. HTC, what's your problem? Perez is one of those players who can win a game on his own. He has moments of brilliance and he also has a click with KJH. Perez must play. Period.

K.

The best footballer on all levels at Ajax: the best technically and tactically -THE F*CKING BEST.

HTC, stop being a stubborn/obdurate prick and pick the man.

Cedric · Bericht door **Cedric** » ma apr 09, 2007 8:12 pm

Did I miss something or what ? What that's new thing about Perez since yesterday ?
He is good, maybe really good (the best? not too sure though) but I can understand why Ten Cate prefer Sneijder or Babel as he is mainly competing with them if I'm not wrong...
Now that Sneijder is suspended he should logically start on Friday and if it's not the case then it will be time to be really angry...

And Perez or not, any Ajax team should have been able to beat RKC...

dws · Bericht door **dws** » ma apr 09, 2007 8:26 pm

Cedric_AeF schreef:Did I miss something or what ? What that's new thing about Perez since yesterday ?
He is good, maybe really good (the best? not too sure though) but I can understand why Ten Cate prefer Sneijder or Babel as he is mainly competing with them if I'm not wrong...
Now that Sneijder is suspended he should logically start on Friday and if it's not the case then it will be time to be really angry...

And Perez or not, any Ajax team should have been able to beat RKC...

Perez has the best goals per minutes played ratio - I'm talking serious minutes; not some guy with 2 goals in the 10 minutes he's played all season - of all the Ajax players.

He is the best player for left midfield, central midfield and as the second striker.

HTC has insulted Perez by giving him 10 minutes here and ten minutes there. The insult went too far on Sunday - 3 fucking minutes of the regulation 90. What the fuck was that about?

ZoefdeHaas · Bericht door **ZoefdeHaas** » di apr 10, 2007 12:38 pm

Exactly. I don't agree that Perez is THE best, but one of our better players definatley.

Personally I wouldn't perfer him OR Babel on left wing, but Mitea ( yes I have faith in that guy). But Perez should be either a second striker or central midfielder.

I can see how there's competition between Sneijder and Perez, but one of the two should play up front and one in midfield.