EDIT: My apologies to Ko for putting this in the wrong topic. I meant to post it in the topic about new Ajax players. Sorry man. Please move it for me when you get back, would you? :hypocrite:
I'll put this down in English. That way I can post it in the English zone as well. Ofcourse the Dutch lads can just reply in Dutch and I'll expect the guys from the English zone to reply in English. ;)
Out:
De Jong (1,5)
Escudé (1,5)
Lobont (1,5)
Trabelsi (Free)
Pienaar (Free)
Maxwell (Free)
Galasek (Free_
Boukhari (Free)
Vonk (Free)
Anastasiou (Free)
Expected to be sold:
Grygera (4)
Rosales (3)
Charisteas (3)
Total proceeds for players sold: approximately 14.500.000.
In:
Stam (2)
Jenner (1,5)
M. Jansen (2)
Ricksen (Free)
Perez (3)
Medina (3,5)
Mathijsen (6)
Gentenaar (Free)
Krohn Dehli (Free)
De Mul (returning from loan)
Kanu (2)
Juanfran (1,5)
Total costs: approximately 21.500.000
Potential players to be added from the youth:
Boakye
Schilder
Boerrigter
Sarpong
Goossens
Anita
Ajax Squad:
Goalkeepers:
Stekelenburg
Gentenaar
Vermeer
Defenders:
Vermaelen
Heitinga
M. Jansen
Stam
Mathijsen
Juanfran
(Boakye)
(Schilder)
Midfielders:
Lindenbergh
Emanuelson
Ricksen
Maduro
Krohn Dehli
Sneijder
(Sarpong)
(Anita)
Attacking players (not purely strikers ofcourse):
Huntelaar
Rosenberg
Mitea
Manucharyan
Kanu
Jenner
Medina
De Mul
Babel
(Boerrigter)
(Goossens)
Note:
1) I could live with it if Ajax would sell Rosenberg for good money and look for a striker who is more suitable for Ajax-football. Which is still what we want to see in the end.
2) I think it would be a good idea if we loaned out Babel for a year.
3) I don't know why De Mul is coming back exactly. But that decision seems to have been made already.
4) It remains to be seen whether Michael Jansen will recover fully from his heartproblems. The doctors at Vitesse seem to think he will be fine though.
5) With Emanuelson and Jansen we might not need Juanfran. Instead it might be a good idea to sign a rightback. It's a bit slim there with just Heitinga who is anything but a safe bet (if I'm not mistaken Boakye can play at right back as well). I'd like to see a real right fullback come to Ajax. I'm open to suggestions on that one.
6) Kanu is a good option if he can accept a role as a substitute.
7) This squad contains a minimum of 23 players (without Babel and the youth players I named) which is about the number of players Martin van Geel said he wanted to work with in the new season.
* If I notice that I've forgotten something later I'll just have to edit my post.*
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Thank you for posting it in English! I think it is a good list. Anyway, what would you like to do with Lindgren when his coming back from his loan?Thomas schreef:I'll put this down in English. That way I can post it in the English zone as well. Ofcourse the Dutch lads can just reply in Dutch and I'll expect the guys from the English zone to reply in English. ;)
Out:
De Jong (1,5)
Escudé (1,5)
Lobont (1,5)
Trabelsi (Free)
Pienaar (Free)
Maxwell (Free)
Galasek (Free_
Boukhari (Free)
Vonk (Free)
Anastasiou (Free)
Expected to be sold:
Grygera (4)
Rosales (3)
Charisteas (3)
Total proceeds for players sold: approximately 14.500.000.
In:
Stam (2)
Jenner (1,5)
M. Jansen (2)
Ricksen (Free)
Perez (3)
Medina (3,5)
Mathijsen (6)
Gentenaar (Free)
Krohn Dehli (Free)
De Mul (returning from loan)
Kanu (2)
Juanfran (1,5)
Total costs: approximately 21.500.000
Potential players to be added from the youth:
Boakye
Schilder
Boerrigter
Sarpong
Goossens
Anita
Ajax Squad:
Goalkeepers:
Stekelenburg
Gentenaar
Vermeer
Defenders:
Vermaelen
Heitinga
M. Jansen
Stam
Mathijsen
Juanfran
(Boakye)
(Schilder)
Midfielders:
Lindenbergh
Emanuelson
Ricksen
Maduro
Krohn Dehli
Sneijder
(Sarpong)
(Anita)
Attacking players (not purely strikers ofcourse):
Huntelaar
Rosenberg
Mitea
Manucharyan
Kanu
Jenner
Medina
De Mul
Babel
(Boerrigter)
(Goossens)
Note:
1) I could live with it if Ajax would sell Rosenberg for good money and look for a striker who is more suitable for Ajax-football. Which is still what we want to see in the end.
2) I think it would be a good idea if we loaned out Babel for a year.
3) I don't know why De Mul is coming back exactly. But that decision seems to have been made already.
4) It remains to be seen whether Michael Jansen will recover fully from his heartproblems. The doctors at Vitesse seem to think he will be fine though.
5) With Emanuelson and Jansen we might not need Juanfran. Instead it might be a good idea to sign a rightback. It's a bit slim there with just Heitinga who is anything but a safe bet (if I'm not mistaken Boakye can play at right back as well). I'd like to see a real right fullback come to Ajax. I'm open to suggestions on that one.
6) Kanu is a good option if he can accept a role as a substitute.
7) This squad contains a minimum of 23 players (without Babel and the youth players I named) which is about the number of players Martin van Geel said he wanted to work with in the new season.
* If I notice that I've forgotten something later I'll just have to edit my post.*
Concerning Rosenberg, I do not think he will accept to be a substitute, because he has his place in the national team to defend (he is currently ranked to be the first to play if Zlatan or Henke Larsson gets injured, but he would lose that position if on the bench in Ajax. If Ajax is going to play 4-3-3 with Hunterlaar or Charisteas as central striker I am quite sure Markus will ask to leave, he can not afford the risk of not geting the chance to play beside Zlatan when Henke Larsson rounds of his careeer.
As I understand it Juanfran is staying. With Juanfran and Emanuelson we would not need Jansen.Thomas schreef:
4) It remains to be seen whether Michael Jansen will recover fully from his heartproblems. The doctors at Vitesse seem to think he will be fine though.
5) With Emanuelson and Jansen we might not need Juanfran.
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ZoefdeHaas
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- Lid geworden op: ma mei 09, 2005 10:47 am
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Thomas’s list is interesting, but I can’t see us buying so many players.
If we are to keep the young players that other clubs are interested in (Sarpong, Goossens, etc.) we will have to pay them first team wages; so I think Martin van Geel would count them as part of the 23, not extra. I would guess he’s thinking of 3 goalkeepers, 7/8 defenders, 6 midfielders and 6/7 attackers.
11 attacking players is too many – we can’t afford them, and those who were not first choices wouldn’t get enough games (even as substitutes) to keep them happy. So we should only spend money (transfer fees or wages) on players like Perez, Medina or Kanu if we see them as replacements for existing players who could be sold - which I don't.
A few other comments
1. It would be bad economics to sell Grygera for 4m and pay 6m for Mathijsen. If we have to let Grygera go, he should be worth at least as much, if not more, especially if he has a good World Cup. Though personally I think we should do everything we can to keep him.
2. Stam would be a good buy, but he’ll be able to get a better wage deal elsewhere.
3. I would not sign Ricksen even if we were paid to take him.
If we are to keep the young players that other clubs are interested in (Sarpong, Goossens, etc.) we will have to pay them first team wages; so I think Martin van Geel would count them as part of the 23, not extra. I would guess he’s thinking of 3 goalkeepers, 7/8 defenders, 6 midfielders and 6/7 attackers.
11 attacking players is too many – we can’t afford them, and those who were not first choices wouldn’t get enough games (even as substitutes) to keep them happy. So we should only spend money (transfer fees or wages) on players like Perez, Medina or Kanu if we see them as replacements for existing players who could be sold - which I don't.
A few other comments
1. It would be bad economics to sell Grygera for 4m and pay 6m for Mathijsen. If we have to let Grygera go, he should be worth at least as much, if not more, especially if he has a good World Cup. Though personally I think we should do everything we can to keep him.
2. Stam would be a good buy, but he’ll be able to get a better wage deal elsewhere.
3. I would not sign Ricksen even if we were paid to take him.
Alright some answers to some of your questions and comments (in no particular order):
1) If we sign Juanfran and Emanuelson we might not need Jansen. If you ask me, I would prefer Jansen then. Only if he can still play football at a high level ofcourse.
2) Rumors have it that Ajax want a lot of money for Gryga. In that case maybe we could sell him for about 8 million.
3) I know Mathijsen would be tough to sign. But I think that we could get him if we paid about 6 million.
4) The list of attacking players is long but it doesn't necessarily exist of 11 players. Babel should be loaned out, I don't think De Mul is good enough, Perez kan play in numerous positions up front as well as in midfield and Boerrigter and Goossens are youthplayers.
5) @ ZoefdeHaas: Have you ever seen Medina play? Do you know who he is?
6) Ricksen would be used as a rightmidfielder not as a rightback. In my opinion, he would bring more to our attacking game than Galasek. According to our scout Steef, Ricksen would be a good bet as a rightmidfielder in 4-3-3 and I think he has qualities that this squad could use. Like character, strength and a good tackle. He's a bit of a lunatic but that's alright.
7) It is widely known that Stam wants to return to Holland and that he doesn't prefer PSV over Ajax.
8) If Rosenberg can't cope with being second fittle behind Huntelaar then he'll have to be sold. Tough luck.
9) Maybe we could use Lindgren. He's a bit of an allrounder.
1) If we sign Juanfran and Emanuelson we might not need Jansen. If you ask me, I would prefer Jansen then. Only if he can still play football at a high level ofcourse.
2) Rumors have it that Ajax want a lot of money for Gryga. In that case maybe we could sell him for about 8 million.
3) I know Mathijsen would be tough to sign. But I think that we could get him if we paid about 6 million.
4) The list of attacking players is long but it doesn't necessarily exist of 11 players. Babel should be loaned out, I don't think De Mul is good enough, Perez kan play in numerous positions up front as well as in midfield and Boerrigter and Goossens are youthplayers.
5) @ ZoefdeHaas: Have you ever seen Medina play? Do you know who he is?
6) Ricksen would be used as a rightmidfielder not as a rightback. In my opinion, he would bring more to our attacking game than Galasek. According to our scout Steef, Ricksen would be a good bet as a rightmidfielder in 4-3-3 and I think he has qualities that this squad could use. Like character, strength and a good tackle. He's a bit of a lunatic but that's alright.
7) It is widely known that Stam wants to return to Holland and that he doesn't prefer PSV over Ajax.
8) If Rosenberg can't cope with being second fittle behind Huntelaar then he'll have to be sold. Tough luck.
9) Maybe we could use Lindgren. He's a bit of an allrounder.
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Van der Vaart
- Berichten: 298
- Lid geworden op: zo sep 18, 2005 4:40 pm
I mentioned Ricksen as a Davids type player for Ajax, but most people who replied to my post in the English section do not seem to rate Fernando. I happen to think he is a fine midfielder and I am happy to see that I am not alone in believing this. :xyxthumbs:6) Ricksen would be used as a rightmidfielder not as a rightback. In my opinion, he would bring more to our attacking game than Galasek. According to our scout Steef, Ricksen would be a good bet as a rightmidfielder in 4-3-3 and I think he has qualities that this squad could use. Like character, strength and a good tackle. He's a bit of a lunatic but that's alright.
There are plenty of good players who have not won anything at European level and plenty of mediocre players who have. So the point you make is pointless. :D :headbang:Ayman schreef:dws said:
I think you will find that there is a big difference in Class between Wouters/Davids and Ricksen. The latter duo won european silverware. Ricksen has won fuck all!Wouters and Davids combined ability with being dirty when required. Ricksen is no different.
dws said:
The point is you wolly, that these two players played a pivitol point in the success of their respective clubs/nations..unlike your fantasy player Ricksen.There are plenty of good players who have not won anything at European level and plenty of mediocre players who have. So the point you make is pointless
I will ignore your abuse and point out to you that Jan Wouters before joining Ajax was not highly rated . However, Cruijff recognised the qualities others refused to acknowledge and signed him for Ajax.Ayman schreef:dws said:
The point is you wolly, that these two players played a pivitol point in the success of their respective clubs/nations..unlike your fantasy player Ricksen.There are plenty of good players who have not won anything at European level and plenty of mediocre players who have. So the point you make is pointless
You make a very good point Thomas. I think it was Ronald Spelbos who complained his Ajax team mates were too talented to win anything. Spelbos was remarking on a team with talents such as Van Basten, Vanenburg,Rijkaard, Koeman and De Wit. Ajax with these players and others such as Jesper Olsen was incapable of fending of average standard European sides such as Bohemians Prague, Glasgow Celtic and Olympiakos Piraeus. Ajax had much the better players; played the better football , but ended up being defeated.Thomas schreef:You should remember that not all our players have to be beautiful technicians. Look at Gattusso, Gravesen, Pablo Garcia and so on. None of them are fantastic players on the ball but they are of plenty of worth to their clubs.
The arrival of Wouters in 1986 provided Ajax with the steel they previously lacked in midfield. I should also add, we had two outstanding defenders in Spelbos and Silooij and another striving to reach their level ..... Danny Blind.
We have a team stack full off technical players, but no leader. This is why we need a player like Ricksen.
We will continue to fail unless we sign such a player.
Laatst gewijzigd door dws op zo jan 29, 2006 5:41 pm, 1 keer totaal gewijzigd.
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afckeeper95
- Berichten: 130
- Lid geworden op: do aug 04, 2005 2:18 pm
- Locatie: Denmark
If you think Perez is uttercrap then you obviously don't follow Dutch Football all too well.afckeeper95 schreef:Do you mean Kenneth Perez from AZ? but he's utter crap?!?!Thomas schreef: In:
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Perez can play on the left wing and behind the strikers. He's quick, technically quite strong and has a nice shot. Tactically I think he's one of the stronger players in the Eredivisie. He scores a lot of goals and makes a lot of assists. Him and Arveladze form the most productive duo in the Dutch league.
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afckeeper95
- Berichten: 130
- Lid geworden op: do aug 04, 2005 2:18 pm
- Locatie: Denmark
Granted, I have not seen every single game he's played for AZ - only highlights and a couple of European matches. BUT I have seen every single minute of every single game he has played for the national team and he has only been a disappointment. The conditions on that team are much like Ajax: 4-3-3 and Morten Olsen as coach. He's been used on both wings and as the off midfield. Still, when it gomes to the "bigger" stage of national games he chockes. His crosses have been inaccurate, he has made poor passing decisions, and he has missed too many chances in front of goal. Based on that I think he's crap. Now, if he part of the most productive duo in Dutch soccer and supposedly good player then why can't he transfer those skills to the national team? Furthermore, if he has trouble transfering his skills to a team with similar style as Ajax and, also, one that has more media and fan pressure than AZ, what is to say that he would not also chock, if Ajax were to sign him?Thomas schreef:If you think Perez is uttercrap then you obviously don't follow Dutch Football all too well.afckeeper95 schreef:Do you mean Kenneth Perez from AZ? but he's utter crap?!?!Thomas schreef: In:
Perez (3)
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Perez can play on the left wing and behind the strikers. He's quick, technically quite strong and has a nice shot. Tactically I think he's one of the stronger players in the Eredivisie. He scores a lot of goals and makes a lot of assists. Him and Arveladze form the most productive duo in the Dutch league.
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afckeeper95
- Berichten: 130
- Lid geworden op: do aug 04, 2005 2:18 pm
- Locatie: Denmark
How many games has he played for Denmark?
Surely not as many as the 50 he's played the last two seasons for AZ. Perez is a constant factor in the AZ team.
AZ is a team which plays the type of football that we want to see at Ajax. They are the team which is most similar to Ajax football. Not Denmark.
Surely not as many as the 50 he's played the last two seasons for AZ. Perez is a constant factor in the AZ team.
AZ is a team which plays the type of football that we want to see at Ajax. They are the team which is most similar to Ajax football. Not Denmark.