The One & Only Official Music Geeks' Thread

[jamcocteau]

Ko
if you know of anybody looking for tickets for Beck give me a shout as I am going to be watching (ahem) Scotland v Belarus.

<Nelson Muntz> HA HA !!! </Nelson Muntz>

Carcajou, aye whatever keeps you happy son, just dont give up the day job

[Blind3]

Looking forward to Agnostic Front on June 9th, Santana and Los Lonely Boys June 15 in Madison Square Garden, Ted Leo and The Pharmacists June 22nd, Sleater Kinney June 24, Billy ,in Philly, Corgan June 25th and Live 8 Philly on July 2nd. I've heard that a crowd of up to 1 million people might descend on Philly on July 2.What a great party. Like Queen's Day minus the queen.

[aveslacker]

Agnostic Front. Wow. There's a name from the past.

Have fun. Makes me wish I could grow my bangs out and thrash. :headbang: But I don't have enough hair, and I'd probably give myself a concussion. Sigh. The ravages of age. :nooo:

[Over Pasanens Head]

Makes me wish I could grow my bangs out and thrash.

May I remind you that this is an English speaking thread - could you please translate your thoughts before posting in future. :D

Seriously though - what the hell do you mean?

[aveslacker]

Makes me wish I could grow my bangs out and thrash.

May I remind you that this is an English speaking thread - could you please translate your thoughts before posting in future. :D

Seriously though - what the hell do you mean?

"Bangs" in American english translates to "fringe" in British english (I think) - the hair in the front of the head, just above the forehead. When bands like Agnostic Front (and Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, DRI, etc) came out, they appealed to a lot of skaters who, back in those days grew out their bangs (or fringe), as I attempted to do. My bangs (fringe) were so long that I could put them in my mouth - a good thing to do when you are a surly teenager and want to hide from authority.

Thrashing is a predecessor to moshing (i.e. slam dancing, i.e. trying to beat up the guy next to you in the audience) that involved moving your head backwards and forwards real fast, sort of like this emoticon: :headbang:. If you weren't concussed, you weren't doing it right.

Suffice to say, growing out my bangs today would be a complete disaster due to lack of hair in that region, and attempting to thrash would only yield a sore neck. But when you're young, looking foolish is part of the game, I suppose.

[Blind3]

Agnostic Front still have it after 15 years.Great show.I must be old and foolish,because I'm still sore . Somewhere ,my t-shirt still has several Doc Marten's prints on the back...courtesy of a local crowd surfer.Lots of bangs, in both senses of the word. Only sorry that it looks like one of the haunts of New Yorkers AF, the venerable CBGB's, will close due to $ disputes.Thus denying the hardcore,I saw AF there in April, and other scenes a great link with their punk/ new wave forefathers(Ramones,Johnny Thunders and The Heartbreakers,Sonic Youth,Patti Smith,T-Heads,Blondie,Television,Richard Hell and the Voidoids,etc..).

[aveslacker]

Only sorry that it looks like one of the haunts of New Yorkers AF, the venerable CBGB's, will close due to $ disputes.

CBGB's is closing? That's a tragedy! :sad:

[Over Pasanens Head]

Below are the words from a new song called Roots performed by a duo called Show of Hands. The song really gets to the crux of modern day life in England in that we have just totally lost our heritage.
Has the same happened in say Holland, Sweden, France etc etc. ?

"Now I’ve been twenty-five years or more
I’ve roamed this land from shore to shore
Tyne to Tamar, Severn to Thames
From moor to vale, from peak to fen

I’ve stood in cafes and pubs and bars
Played in the street on an old guitar
But I'd be richer than the rest
If I had a pound for each request

Duelling Banjos, American Pie
Its enough to make you cry
Sweet chariot, swing low
Is that the only song the English know?

Seed, blossom, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots – they need roots...and...

After the speeches when the cakes been cut
The discos over and the bar is shut
Funeral, wedding, birthday, wake
What can we sing until the morning breaks

But Indian, Asian, Afro-Celt
It’s in the blood, below the belt
Singing and dancing all night long
What have they got right that we’ve got wrong

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - they need roots...and...

Haul away boys, let them go
Out in the wind and rain and snow
We’ve lost more than we’ll ever know
On the rocky shores of England

Haul away boys, let them go
Out in the wind and rain and snow
We’ve lost more than we’ll ever know
Round the rocky shores of England

And the Minister says his vision of hell
Is three folk singers in a pub near Wells
I’ve gotta vision of urban sprawl
Pubs where no one ever sings at all

And everyone’s staring at a TV screen
Overpaid soccer stars, prancing teen
Australian soap, American rap
Estuary English, baseball cap

We learn to be ashamed before we walk
Of the way we look and the way we talk
Without our stories or our songs
How will we know where we came from
Take St George and the Union Jack
Its my flag too, I want it back

Seed, bud, flower, fruit
Never gonna grow without their roots
Branch, stem, shoots - they need roots...'n'...

Haul away boys, let them go
Out in the wind and rain and snow
We’ve lost more than we’ll ever know
On the rocky shores of England

Haul away boys, let them go
Out in the wind and rain and snow
We’ve lost more than we’ll ever know
Round the rocky shores of England

Need roots

We need roots

[Philippe]

you can't be serious about this "need roots" business

[Over Pasanens Head]

you can't be serious about this "need roots" business

Of course I can and I am.

I could ask you the question in reverse.

[Philippe]

gens una summus

[Over Pasanens Head]

gens una summus

Very good cheap shot there Phiippe - counting on me not knowing what you mean and thus show myself up.
And as I haven't a faintest idea what you mean, you can have your laugh on me.

[Philippe]

sorry, this is from the international chess federation, meaning (latin) we are all one kind.

[Kowalczyk]

It is actually a very big issue here in Holland as well...

Even a number of writers (some of them might actually be more literate, or even smarter than Philippe!) wrote very good articles about the Dutch society, which is a society that (eversince World War II) banned everything that had to do with national pride. Dutch literature? Kids no longer have to read it at school, if they don't feel like it. The national anthem? You were already half a fascist if you even knew the words... The flag? It was really politically incorrect to even have one. Learning facts from Dutch history...? Learning about great Dutchmen from the past? It would only turns our youth into nationalists.

The result is a society that has lost its identity and hardly knows why things are the way that they are in modern The Netherlands. Why do we have the constitution that we have? Who wrote it and why? What did we want to protect? What were our fears? What was our ideology? What is a Dutchman? How can it be explained that we've been a tremendously self-satisfied, self-complacent or even arrogant little country for centuries (we were so convinced that we were doing everything the right way), but that a frighteningly large percentage of the Dutch population has become militantly dissatisfied with everything Dutch overnight? How can the current self-hate of The Netherlands be explained? What is the soul of this country?

I am living in one confused society that has focused so much on individual freedom for five decades that it has lost its sense of pride, solidarity and its collective cultural frame of reference. There is no direction. Nothing to hold on to. Even the most liberal and left-wing politicians and thinkers now sort of admit that.

You can have all kinds of thoughts about it, but one thing is for sure: a grumpy, negative one-liner and a three-word Latin phrase are not much of a valuable contribution (let alone a respectful reply).

K.

[raymon]

sorry, this is from the international chess federation, meaning (latin) we are all one kind.

Only some are more kind than others :D

[jamcocteau]

Over Pasanens Head

Dont really want to get into a political arguement here mate but one of the problems I see has been that most English people never knew their heritage in the first place. They get very easily confused between Britishness and Englishness. I think it is only over the last decade or so that a lot of people in England have recognised the difference between the two - an example is the flag waving by supporters at football matches involving England. Until mid 90s they flew the UJ when representing England, eh wrong flag.

But just my thought for what it is worth

[Over Pasanens Head]

Over Pasanens Head

Dont really want to get into a political arguement here mate but one of the problems I see has been that most English people never knew their heritage in the first place. They get very easily confused between Britishness and Englishness. I think it is only over the last decade or so that a lot of people in England have recognised the difference between the two - an example is the flag waving by supporters at football matches involving England. Until mid 90s they flew the UJ when representing England, eh wrong flag.

But just my thought for what it is worth

I think that you could well be right about the English as we do have a real identity crisis at times. This can be illustrated even true today when an English team gets knocked out of a tournament we suddenly become British if say a Scottish team is left in. It gets even worse in that this team isn't Scottish anymore it is British. Show of Hands comes from the West Country and as such I do believe that they have held onto their heritage longer than any but now they see it slipping away.
As to Ko's post it paints a really sad picture of modern day life in the Netherlands.
I haven't any politics to grind on this one and I agree with Philipe that everybody is equal but I do mourn the melting away of our heritage whilst other cultures are actively pushing theirs onto us.

[Philippe]

It is You can have all kinds of thoughts about it, but one thing is for sure: a grumpy, negative one-liner and a three-word Latin phrase are not much of a valuable contribution (let alone a respectful reply).

K.

Your contribution is far too long. You should try to write shorter articles, and above all get rid of that unpleasant habbit of yours to pretend to be smarter than others just because your English is better.

" frontiers are my prison" 4 words

[Kowalczyk]

That doesn't make sense, Philippe. And you know it.

I never pretend to be smarter than others and as for the length of my posts: I take the time and effort to actually try and add something. Something constructive. Which is not exactly what you did in this case: Over Pasanen's Head posted something (and something quite interesting, too) and you immediately jumped down his throat, killing his initiative by simply saying that he "can't be serious about that". No explanation whatsoever.

That is pretending to be smarter than others. There was nothing arrogant about my post (or any of my posts, for that matter).

That remark was shot straight from the hip, just because you're pissed off with me.

K.

[jamcocteau]

OPH,

On the very subject of sport and the British / English / Scottish thing had to laugh when watching Wimbledon as the commentators tried to describe Andrew Murray as being British (well one daftie called him English actually) and Murray said the only three letters after my name are Sco and not GBr - what a good lad
:D

[jamcocteau]

Ko,

you going to the Bravery tomorrow night in the Melkweg by any chance

[Kowalczyk]

you going to the Bravery tomorrow night in the Melkweg by any chance

Unfortunately not... I would have loved to, but it's my dad's birthday so I'll visit him tomorrow night.

Will be going to KRS-One on Thursday, but that's probably not your thing, eh?

K.

[Philippe]

That doesn't make sense, Philippe. And you know it.

;)

[Kowalczyk]

;)

:xyxthumbs:

K.

[aveslacker]

FWIW, and continuing the off-topic aspect of this thread...

The two countries I've spent the most time in over the last few years are Greece (where I live... for three more days) and Wales (where my in-laws live). I would say that both of these countries have firmly rooted senses of identity, especially the Greeks: they have a unique language, their own autocephalous branch of the Orthodox church, and they have 3500 years of history.

Wales, of course, is similar, less the religion and a thousand years of history, give or take a few centuries.

Holland, the country of my parents (and much of my youth) could easily fall into this group: the Dutch language is spoken by roughly the same number of people as Greek, Holland has a proud history, and still maintains a unique identity. Perhaps suppression of nationalistic sentiment is a remnant of the post-WW I and II recasting of Europe... but that's as close to politics as I'm going to get. Suffice to say, I like Greece, love Wales, and love Holland. :yes: