New Players for Ajax

[bluedaddy19]

No big team has come knocking for Stekelenburg yet, despite four full seasons under the posts for Ajax.

Perhaps the scouts of Europe aren't too impressed.

He also has a bad attitude... just look at how he threw his toys out of the pram when he got dropped.

If he wasn't an Ajax youth product he wouldn't have gotten as many chances as he did.

But we can agree to disagree on this one, I don't want to talk about it anymore.

1- that's debatable

2- that's a wild assumption

3- ya know what, dude? if i'd play as well as he had for the last two season, then lost my job from being hurt, i'd be pissed too

and ya know what else? if he wasn't pissed, THEN i'd think he had an attitude problem

4- again, do you have any actual basis for this?

5- finally, we agree... the constant hyperbole is unsettling

[bluedaddy19]

i mean, geez guys... a 26-year old keeper has the odd dizzy spell in net? holy crap alert the media!



welcome to earth, okay? fiorentina paid money for lobont, that surely doesnt make him worth a crap in and of itself

we always talk about not chasing off the young guys, not expecting the moon from day one, letting them grow into stars etc etc

ask yourself this: how many points have the field players cost him?

add that up, subtract his pittance and get back to us

[bryan]

4- again, do you have any actual basis for this?

Yeah, Bogdan Lobont. He was better than Stekelenburg but got shipped out at the first sign of bad form. If Bogdan Lobont was called, say, Bram Lodewijks, and was an Ajax youth product, he'd probably have been given another chance to prove himself.

All I can say is that if you guys want to think Stekelenburg and Vermeer are good goalkeepers then god help us all.

ya know what, dude? if i'd play as well as he had for the last two season, then lost my job from being hurt, i'd be pissed too

and ya know what else? if he wasn't pissed, THEN i'd think he had an attitude problem

Of course goalkeepers get pissed off when they get dropped, they're just not supposed to bitch about it to the press. That's a sign of immaturity and lack of respect for your fellow goalkeeper. When Van der Sar got dropped at Juve, he didn't throw a fit. He quietly worked to improve his game...

ask yourself this: how many points have the field players cost him?

I did also say we need two new defenders and a defensive (and organisational, I might add) midfielder.

[bluedaddy19]

4- again, do you have any actual basis for this?

Yeah, Bogdan Lobont. He was better than Stekelenburg but got shipped out at the first sign of bad form.

All I can say is that if you guys want to think Stekelenburg and Vermeer are good goalkeepers then god help us all.

1 - i'm sorry... i should have said FACTUAL basis

bogdan lobont, sweet christmas, talk about a walking soft goal who has lost 3 starting jobs since he left us

2 - yawn

let's just do that not discussing stek thing, coz anyone who kisses up to the wretched lobont is speaking a language i don't understand

[Rooie]

News from Serbia (Google Translate):

http://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vesti.p ... _id=369452

4. July 2009. | Source: B92, Sports Journal
Obradović: "I'm interested only Ajaks"

Partizan footballer Ivan Obradović said that it primarily interested in the departure Ajaks, although would not have anything against that remain among the 'black-and-white.

However, Obradovic said that I would like to continue his career in Ajaksu, where he joined the Miralemu Sulejmani. Left back Partizan and Serbia said that it does not care that the transfer has not yet been realized, since the transitional period only started. Obradovic said that would not be a problem in the Partizan spend some time, although the departure abroad a priority.
"I informed the old men from Partizan and my manager that I wish to continue a career in Ajaksu. Interested me just switch to the Club, whose jersey carries and my friend Miralem Sulejmani. This is the highest law and desire, "said 20-year-old footballer.

"There were no negotiations, at least not that I know. Nikola worry about the status of many players, I do not believe that the talk about me, although I would like to implement the transfer."

Obradovic said in order for the transition to Ajaks was an ideal option for the great work with young players, which is a famous club in Amsterdam known.

"For young players željnog proof, progress and stastavanja abroad, there is no better club than Ajaksa. A few days ago I saw that my name was mentioned on the official site of Dutch club, local press praises me, and I hope that obistiniti what you write, "said Obradovic:

Left back 'black-and-white' is said not to worry that the transfer has not yet been realized, although the story about him, but a month.

"God forbid, a transitional period in Europe began only two days ago, and after returning from Sweden, people from the club have said that focus only on the training, they will do a job. I believe that will choose the best option."

Obradovića for the interest shown and CSKA Moscow, but he says for now not to think about it.

"Going to the east of Europe in the second plan. The first goal is to find a good club in the west, I am aware of its quality and not worried, "said the representatives of Serbia.

Obradovic said that the transition to a European club to be feasible in the case that he played for the first qualification match against Partizan velškog Rila, which is scheduled for 14 July.

"Not to me does not care because we transfer data to the case to play a match against the Rila, have the right performance for the other club. I will be entirely normal for the debate with Velšanima, I know that professional staff in the class account to me as the first left Beka and I am ready to satisfy the requirements, "says Obradovic.

Left back 'black-and-white' adding that it is not impossible to stay in Partizan for some time.

"Not all the money. I accepted to play for Partizan six or 12 months, although it is clear to go abroad not only progressed in terms of soccer, but well earned, "said Obradović.

Obradovic was added at the end to Partizan, where he spent more than a decade, always be his club.

"I spent 12 years in Humskoj, of which the last two were excellent. I participated in the winning four trophies, played League UEFA, gained representative status, which it is clear that when you go, any club abroad will not be able to love as a 'black-and-white', they are my life "

[Over Pasanens Head]

4- again, do you have any actual basis for this?

Yeah, Bogdan Lobont. He was better than Stekelenburg but got shipped out at the first sign of bad form.

All I can say is that if you guys want to think Stekelenburg and Vermeer are good goalkeepers then god help us all.

1 - i'm sorry... i should have said FACTUAL basis

bogdan lobont, sweet christmas, talk about a walking soft goal who has lost 3 starting jobs since he left us

2 - yawn

let's just do that not discussing stek thing, coz anyone who kisses up to the wretched lobont is speaking a language i don't understand

So what if Lobont was better than Steks or Steks better than Lobont - it means sod all as both are/were not that great. Neither of them inspire confidence with their defenders or supporters. We need a commanding keeper that organises the defence not somebody who is afraid of crosses to a greater degree than Count Dracula.

[Rooie]

Elia to HSV for about 10 million euro, according to NOS Teletekst.

[Kowalczyk]

Elia to HSV for about 10 million euro, according to NOS Teletekst.

That's good news. He's an okay player, but not one we need at this point - and I was seriously afraid that Ajax were going to pay 10 million for him. Would have been the umpteenth sexy little player from Groningen/Twente/Heerenveen we'd have paid too much cash for.

But it didn't happen after all, thankfully. Thank you Twente; thank you Hamburg.

Ajax, write this down on a piece of paper:

1. central defender
2. left fullback
3. physically strong striker

That's what we require - good luck.

K.

[bluedaddy19]

That's good news. He's an okay player, but not one we need at this point - and I was seriously afraid that Ajax were going to pay 10 million for him. Would have been the umpteenth sexy little player from Groningen/Twente/Heerenveen we'd have paid too much cash for.

But it didn't happen after all, thankfully. Thank you Twente; thank you Hamburg.

Ajax, write this down on a piece of paper:

1. central defender
2. left fullback
3. physically strong striker

That's what we require - good luck.

K.

i agree 10000% with this to the letter

[orange goblin]

for the first two it seems we are next to a solution (onyewu, obradovic) for a bill of around 6 million euros. onyewu in fact is a free agent.
as for the striker...don't know if ajax will make a move.

[bryan]

Do we really need a physically strong striker? Our two best strikers in the last 10 years were Shota and KJH. Neither were very strong.

We need a striker who can score goals. A striker who can score goals AND is also physical is, quite frankly, out of our reach.

And anyway, we scored more goals than anyone else last year. I'd put attackers way down on the list of priorities. Leaking goals is the problem! We need a completely new back 5 and an orchestrator in midfield who can organise some shielding for the defence.

[ZoefdeHaas]

Zigic?

[bryan]

Now there's an example of somebody who has gotten a contract in football on the basis of being tall, despite not actually being any good at football. The Serbian Peter Crouch, but even worse.

Red Star were playing Cork City in CL qualifying a few years ago, and Zigic was one of the worst centre forwards I have ever seen. Harry Redknapp was in the stadium scouting him, and apparently he left at half time to get an earlier flight back to London.

[Blind3]

I was reading AjaxInside.nl . There are blurbs on the site that :

1. Khalid Sinouh will be our third keeper. The story indicates he was at RKC with BMJ . At 34 , he should come cheap.

2. Ajax bid 3.5 mill for Sebastian Prediger

3. BMJ hope to announce a new player tomorrow.

Don't know if AI is reliable so I put the above in the FWIW column.

[jamie]

Sinouh was also brought to Hamburg by Jol and he I believe he is transfer free so I think that there is a good change that he will come to Ajax. I have never really been much of a fan of him. Don't we have any goalkeepers in our youth who can act as 3rd goalkeeper?

It seems in various media that we are about to sign Oguchi Onyewu who is out of contract in Belgium. He refused to extend his contract) He has over 50 caps for the US and apparently he did well at the recent confederation cup. He is center back and has been compared to Stam somewhat as he is a very aggressive type of defender. Jol has also confirmed that he would like to see this player come.

Sebastian Prediger seems to be a defensive / controlling midfielder but all the reports about the supposed interest of Ajax is coming from some Argentinian newspaper which has often been wrong in the past. The player recently received his first cap in the Argentinian national squad. Boca Juniors are also rumored to be interested.

The whole Elia story is now closed as he signed with Hamburg .

There are still some rumors that Ajax is still interested in purchasing Berg from Fc Grunn.

And the final transfer gossip is about this Serbian leftback from Partizan. His name is Obradovic, 21 (I believe) and is supposed to be a big talent. He has indicated that he wants to go to Ajax but his team wants something like 6 million Euro for him which is a lot for a leftback. According to a source on a different Ajax forum, Ajax is in negotiations with his team however the price seems to be the big hurdle.

[bluedaddy19]

from what i'm hearing on the grapevine, we are hoping to present onyewu tomorrow

AND from a news report, we were at the U-21 euros to specifically watch rasmus elm

Do we really need a physically strong striker? Our two best strikers in the last 10 years were Shota and KJH. Neither were very strong.

O_o

they weren't?

[jamie]

Do we really need a physically strong striker? Our two best strikers in the last 10 years were Shota and KJH. Neither were very strong.

You consider both KJH and Shota to be better then Zlatan?

[The Purple Cow]

Steks is a positional disaster, and he tends to freeze in big games. He is what's known in cricketing terms as a 'flat-track bully.' As Bryan points out, the fact that he's been looking to leave for so long and nobody has come a knockin' tells you all you need to know.

Vermeer - too accident prone.

[SPL]

Hope something happens this week.Why we need another defensive MF when we had 6 playing yesterday .As for a third goalie Padt played alot of reserve games last season and is only just 19 .He is out until mid August but I thought he would be 3rd goalie. Just one thought if Steks becomes No 1 again Vermeer will not want to sit on the bench and may want to go on loan!

[Venezuelan Ajacied]

Do we really need a physically strong striker? Our two best strikers in the last 10 years were Shota and KJH. Neither were very strong.

You consider both KJH and Shota to be better then Zlatan?

i'll add my two cents here....Zlatan was a ¨better¨ player....but Shota and KJH were ¨better¨ goalscorers. Take a look at the stats...they dont lie. I have to say that the age of the battering ram type central striker is ending, just take a look at barcelona...they often play in a 4-3-3 and they never use a strong center forward, their system is more about pace and skill than brute force.

[martinkohout]

he tends to freeze in big games.

He's 5-0 as a starter in WC qualifying over the last two years, with three clean sheets. (Granted, the opposition wasn't the greatest, but you can't do a whole lot better than that.) In Euro '08, he beat Romania 2-0 in the only game he played. He also had a clean sheet in the 1-0 win against Fiorentina and was in the nets for the 4-1 win against Borac Cacak in the only UEFA Cup matches he played over the last year.

In the Eredivisie last season, he played 12 matches and conceded 15 goals. He lost to Willem II (1-2), Groningen (0-1), Heerenveen (0-1), and Vitesse (1-4); the latter was the only one of those that was really truly ugly, and that was certainly a team effort.

Look, I'm not trying to say he's another van der Sar, or even a particularly good goalie; you may be right about other teams' lack of interest. Nor, obviously, did he win (or lose) all those games alone. I just think, if you look at the numbers, it's hard to argue that replacing him should be a high priority right now, given the other current needs.

[bluedaddy19]

I have to say that the age of the battering ram type central striker is ending, just take a look at barcelona...they often play in a 4-3-3 and they never use a strong center forward, their system is more about pace and skill than brute force.

nobody is talking about adding frankenstein

we have one proven center forward, and he is 5'10" (1.78)

and if bodul is so ready, then why did we watch the title float away when cvitanich was hurt/suspended last january? and what happens if cvit struggles, who do we go to then?

i don't want to start sliding small guys into the #9 spot in emergencies and if you stick suarez there, our engine needs to be replaced

i want a second proper center forward on the roster... how can we not have a second #9?

[bryan]

Obradovic would at least have a cool Beatles based cheer...

Obrado- Obrado- Obradoooooooovic Ivan Obradovic

yes, let's sign him

[martinkohout]

Obradovic would at least have a cool Beatles based cheer...

Obrado- Obrado- Obradoooooooovic Ivan Obradovic

yes, let's sign him

And how about (with apologies to the Platters), "Onyewuuuu can make this world seem right / Onyewuuuu can make the darkness bright...."

[bluedaddy19]

And how about (with apologies to the Platters), "Onyewuuuu can make this world seem right / Onyewuuuu can make the darkness bright...."

of course, they will also need to get down the "gooooooooooooch" chant

btw reports are starting to come out that this is almost a done deal and we are trying to get it done in time to present him tomorrow