Maybe an article on this obscure website might help:-mako schreef:Er... forgive my ignorance, but why not?acab schreef:Olsen?
No,no,no, please....
no ditto
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Maybe an article on this obscure website might help:-mako schreef:Er... forgive my ignorance, but why not?acab schreef:Olsen?
No,no,no, please....
no ditto
So Olsen shouldn't coach Ajax because the DeBoer brothers were complete assholes?Over Pasanens Head schreef:Maybe an article on this obscure website might help:-mako schreef:Er... forgive my ignorance, but why not?acab schreef:Olsen?
No,no,no, please....
no ditto
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Yeah, I knew that (and the "obscure website," thanks), but I agree with aveslacker; I don't think what happened was really Olsen's fault. "Uninspiring" is a virtually meaningless word in that context; the article itself points out that "the chemistry in the team was vanishing" even before Van Gaal left.aveslacker schreef:So Olsen shouldn't coach Ajax because the DeBoer brothers were complete assholes?Over Pasanens Head schreef:Maybe an article on this obscure website might help:-
http://www.ajax-usa.com/history/ajax/aj ... arena.html
Why do you say that? What evidence do you have to back up your contention?acab schreef:And still.. no to Olsen. These comebacks are never successfull. He is just not good enough. Better than MvB, Woutres and Koeman, but not good enough.
aveslacker schreef:Why do you say that? What evidence do you have to back up your contention?acab schreef:And still.. no to Olsen. These comebacks are never successfull. He is just not good enough. Better than MvB, Woutres and Koeman, but not good enough.
Yes, you are right in some aspects, but:bryan schreef:1. Acab, how many Ajax youth players from the period 97-2000 have actually made good in pro football? It was a very barren period at De Toekomst. You can't blame Olsen for that, surely. Everybody said he should play Brutil Hose. He did, and he was no good. Van Gaal had a load of good youth players to work with. So did Koeman. Olsen was stuck in a crap period in between. I'm sure if Olsen had an Edgar Davids or Van der Vaart to promote he'd have done so in a flash.
2. June 6 is two weeks from now. The season begins in August. Why do we need a manager right now? This is a crazy reason not to pick Olsen. The best managers out there are the ones who aren't unemployed. That makes sense. AZ are welcome to Koeman.
3. The De Boers signed a long term contract with Ajax during the summer and then decided to up and leave just before the season started. Arie van Os (not Morten Olsen) told them they were going nowhere. Then the De Boers went on strike. Olsen lost his best defender and one of his best midfielders and it was too late to do anything about it. It's not his fault that De Boers decided to leave at the last minute, or that Arie van Os tried to make them stay.
Very few players will be transfer between now and June 6. If the options are either wait for Olsen until June 6 or hire someone who will be available sooner, it's a no-brainer choice unless that someone is Co Adriaanse or Guus Hiddink or someone like that. "He was available" is not a particularly good reason to hire a coach (see also: Blind, Danny; Koster, Adrie; Van Basten, Marco).SPL schreef:I too do not think we can wait until 6 june as pre season is 22ndJune and we need some new players.
We need someone now to make decisions on players leaving ie Kennedy Sno Steks Silva. Vermeer the young goalie wont sign a new contract until he knows what the new coach has install(luckily for Ajax just about everyone else has contracts to 2011)
I do not really remember much about his first spell here but if he is not into promoting youth we have a serious problem because MVB has certainly got a young squad here and we need someone to continue to build on what MVB has started.
Well both Claudio Ranieri and Roberto Mancini are available!acab schreef: An italian coach is the best option for me. But no Olsen. Is the same ol' story.
We need good players before the start of the next season. There's no point in rushing things. After all, we don't have a Champions League qualifier to prepare for, do we.We must have our now singings 'till the first training and Olsen can't do that.
Michael Laudrup, who he convinced to sign for the club. Shota Arveladze also scored 25 goals in 31 league games. Olsen personally scouted him and made sure we bought him... against the club's wishes, who thought that they had bought the replacement for Kluivert in Gerald Sibon. He also bought Sunday Oliseh, who we later flogged to Juventus for over megabucks. And Benni McCarthy, who we sold for big money and has proven throughout his career to be a quality striker (he even won the Champions League). And he bought Gronkjaer, who we later sold to Chelsea for loadsamoney. And Tobiasen, who was one of the best full backs we've had... but who unfortunately got very unlucky with injuries.He is probably not bad option, but not in these circumstences. And last time he had succses in Ajax mainly becouse of Michael Laudrup.
Wasn't this the same problem as last year? Van Basten had to deal with the Euros and couldn't come aboard full time until they were finished. Hey, maybe that's the problem he had; not enough time to work in the transfer market (and then overpay for Sulejmani).SPL schreef:I realise not too many players will be signed in the next 2 weeks as most leagues have not yet finished but we start our league on 1st August and several players need to be moved on and some new players bought in .( I only mention the goalie position as 1 will leave and that leaves us with a 19 year old as 2nd choice so another senior goalie would be needed asap).
Denmark play on 6th June but he is not going to turn up for another week as he would need to finish off with the Danish FA so he will take over a week before training ie 7 weeks before the start of proper football. It does not look as if we will get a Dutchman so if he is the No 1 candidate it is just frustrating that we wont get him for another 2/3 weeks.Our rivals AZ and PSV have appointed new men and they will already be looking to see who to sign .
I agree. I'm not agains Olsen in general Bryan, i'm against bringing new coach after 20 days. It's too late. He can't "scout personaly" new players like he did with Shota, does he?SPL schreef:I realise not too many players will be signed in the next 2 weeks as most leagues have not yet finished but we start our league on 1st August and several players need to be moved on and some new players bought in .( I only mention the goalie position as 1 will leave and that leaves us with a 19 year old as 2nd choice so another senior goalie would be needed asap).
Denmark play on 6th June but he is not going to turn up for another week as he would need to finish off with the Danish FA so he will take over a week before training ie 7 weeks before the start of proper football. It does not look as if we will get a Dutchman so if he is the No 1 candidate it is just frustrating that we wont get him for another 2/3 weeks.Our rivals AZ and PSV have appointed new men and they will already be looking to see who to sign .
With Blind we went through the CL group stage, won the Dutch cup, and the play-offs. So I think we have done worse.Cedric_AeF schreef: why call back the coach who got the most desastrous results in the championship of the last 10 years?