I hope this isn't an omen for the future.
I was just watching Sky Sports News Channel to catch the English results and saw the summary for last games of the Rugby League Super League season.
The summarizer (not sure who - don't follow RL) was saying what a shame it was for the fans of the team that was relegated, how he didn't agree with it and how hopefully in a couple of years time there would be a franchise system and there wouldn't be any relegation, all for the good of the game etc.
I seriously don't know what planet the guy was on - and the worst thing was that he called football "soccer". (Not that terrible but a serious no-no here wher there is no need to distinguish from Gridiron).
General Football Discussion
Moderators: ajaxusa, Kowalczyk, mods
-
SE6Ajacied
- Berichten: 2437
- Lid geworden op: wo mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm
- Locatie: Still quite close to London SE6
-
DanK
- Berichten: 1163
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 11:42 pm
- Locatie: not currently Melbourne, Australia.
My google alert on Ajax today bought up something that caught my interest:
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2006/Sept ... red-seats/
Amsterdam Arena gets red seats
AMSTERDAM, Sep 16 (SW) - The Netherlands' second biggest stadium, the Amsterdam Arena will get red seats. These seats are to replace the current mixture of different colors.
Ajax fans have never hidden their negative opinion on the colorful design, and preferred red seats for the entire stadium.
The seats will be replaced in different phases. When the project is to be completed, is currently unknown.
First I have heard of it...can this be confirmed?
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2006/Sept ... red-seats/
Amsterdam Arena gets red seats
AMSTERDAM, Sep 16 (SW) - The Netherlands' second biggest stadium, the Amsterdam Arena will get red seats. These seats are to replace the current mixture of different colors.
Ajax fans have never hidden their negative opinion on the colorful design, and preferred red seats for the entire stadium.
The seats will be replaced in different phases. When the project is to be completed, is currently unknown.
First I have heard of it...can this be confirmed?
-
aveslacker
- Berichten: 2925
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 4:33 pm
- Locatie: Hong Kong!
The Guardian
A lot of people would say Pierluigi Pairetto ought not even to have rung Juventus's general manager Luciano Moggi, let alone told him what he did. Two years ago, when their conversation was secretly recorded by the police, the portly silver-haired vet was a member of the Uefa referees' committee and one of the two "designators" who allocate referees to Serie A matches. Moggi was a man with a vast stake in who officiated where.
"I know you've been forgetting about me, but I've been remembering you," Pairetto began. "I've put in a great referee for the Amsterdam game [against Ajax]."
"Who?"
"[Urs] Meier."
"Terrific," Moggi said.
Reading that and other extracts from bugged telephone calls that were splashed across the newspapers at the beginning of May convinced many Italian fans that what they had long suspected was true. For years - decades, indeed - they had debated why, at critical moments, Juventus always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt on the field.
In one of the most famous incidents, which came in 1981 but is still talked about bitterly by Roma fans, their side lost the scudetto to the Turin club because of a hugely controversial offside decision.
For lack of proof a bizarre theory evolved, according to which the referees, even if they were not being paid or pressured, were somehow psychologically conditioned to favour the Bianconeri - the team of Fiat and the Agnellis, the nearest thing Italy has to a royal family. The transcripts, leaked from a separate investigation by prosecutors in Naples of a management agency owned by Moggi's son, indicated it was a lot simpler than that, at least in the 2004-5 season.
They suggested that, in league with other Juventus executives and key members of the Italian federation, Moggi senior was in effect remotely controlling Serie A, using a vast network of influence based on reciprocal favours.
Crucially, he is credited with being able to control the naming of referees and linesmen through his influence over the "designators". But that is not all. The transcripts suggest he could even influence the fans' subsequent perceptions of what had happened.
One quoted him urging a TV journalist to tamper with a slow-motion replay to hide a wrong decision in Juventus's favour.
It seems that, as other sides became aware of what the Italian media call the "Moggi method", some decided it would be impossible to beat it and so joined it instead in the hope of doing better than they would otherwise.
The Juventus influence began to feed off itself and spread way down the league table. In one conversation Moggi was called by Italy's former interior minister seeking favourable treatment for his local side, slogging away on the bare-earth pitches of Serie C1. A few weeks later the minister rang Moggi again with effusive thanks.
But when the Naples prosecutors sent the transcripts to the federation, nothing was done. Hence the accusation levelled against its former president Franco Carraro and other federation officials - that they knew about but did nothing to end the "Moggi method".
John Foot, author of Calcio: A History of Italian Football, thinks the scandal is in some respects quintessentially Italian: "Sucking up to the powerful is something that happens naturally in Italian society". But he also believes it is about the vast quantities of money now at stake in the Italian game. "The big clubs can't leave anything to chance now. They just have to win every year." "
In fact it happened only twice in the last 16 years that the winner was not one of the cheating couple juventus-ac Milan.
Why ac Milan was not punished too is because Berlusconi also owns Media Sat which is the main source of income for the Italian league.
A lot of people would say Pierluigi Pairetto ought not even to have rung Juventus's general manager Luciano Moggi, let alone told him what he did. Two years ago, when their conversation was secretly recorded by the police, the portly silver-haired vet was a member of the Uefa referees' committee and one of the two "designators" who allocate referees to Serie A matches. Moggi was a man with a vast stake in who officiated where.
"I know you've been forgetting about me, but I've been remembering you," Pairetto began. "I've put in a great referee for the Amsterdam game [against Ajax]."
"Who?"
"[Urs] Meier."
"Terrific," Moggi said.
Reading that and other extracts from bugged telephone calls that were splashed across the newspapers at the beginning of May convinced many Italian fans that what they had long suspected was true. For years - decades, indeed - they had debated why, at critical moments, Juventus always seemed to get the benefit of the doubt on the field.
In one of the most famous incidents, which came in 1981 but is still talked about bitterly by Roma fans, their side lost the scudetto to the Turin club because of a hugely controversial offside decision.
For lack of proof a bizarre theory evolved, according to which the referees, even if they were not being paid or pressured, were somehow psychologically conditioned to favour the Bianconeri - the team of Fiat and the Agnellis, the nearest thing Italy has to a royal family. The transcripts, leaked from a separate investigation by prosecutors in Naples of a management agency owned by Moggi's son, indicated it was a lot simpler than that, at least in the 2004-5 season.
They suggested that, in league with other Juventus executives and key members of the Italian federation, Moggi senior was in effect remotely controlling Serie A, using a vast network of influence based on reciprocal favours.
Crucially, he is credited with being able to control the naming of referees and linesmen through his influence over the "designators". But that is not all. The transcripts suggest he could even influence the fans' subsequent perceptions of what had happened.
One quoted him urging a TV journalist to tamper with a slow-motion replay to hide a wrong decision in Juventus's favour.
It seems that, as other sides became aware of what the Italian media call the "Moggi method", some decided it would be impossible to beat it and so joined it instead in the hope of doing better than they would otherwise.
The Juventus influence began to feed off itself and spread way down the league table. In one conversation Moggi was called by Italy's former interior minister seeking favourable treatment for his local side, slogging away on the bare-earth pitches of Serie C1. A few weeks later the minister rang Moggi again with effusive thanks.
But when the Naples prosecutors sent the transcripts to the federation, nothing was done. Hence the accusation levelled against its former president Franco Carraro and other federation officials - that they knew about but did nothing to end the "Moggi method".
John Foot, author of Calcio: A History of Italian Football, thinks the scandal is in some respects quintessentially Italian: "Sucking up to the powerful is something that happens naturally in Italian society". But he also believes it is about the vast quantities of money now at stake in the Italian game. "The big clubs can't leave anything to chance now. They just have to win every year." "
In fact it happened only twice in the last 16 years that the winner was not one of the cheating couple juventus-ac Milan.
Why ac Milan was not punished too is because Berlusconi also owns Media Sat which is the main source of income for the Italian league.
Laatst gewijzigd door Philippe op di sep 19, 2006 10:56 am, 2 keer totaal gewijzigd.
Appie, stay strong !
-
SE6Ajacied
- Berichten: 2437
- Lid geworden op: wo mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm
- Locatie: Still quite close to London SE6
Hmm, and don't forget the small job that he used to do until earlier this year as well...but I'm sure that had nothing to do with it either :eusa_liar:philippe schreef: Why ac Milan was not punished too is because Berlusconi also owns Media Sat which is the main source of income for the Italian league.
Forza Haarlem. HFC Gone but not forgotten!
How do you know that Moggi isn't just happy because Meier is a good, fair referee? (i know the english would agree ;) )
There are no recordings of people actually saying that a certain ref will look favourably on a team. There is no real evidence that proves anyone was rigging matches. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is as yet no clear proof.
Of course, Juventus finds other ways to boost their performance as well, but that is a seperate issue......
There are no recordings of people actually saying that a certain ref will look favourably on a team. There is no real evidence that proves anyone was rigging matches. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is as yet no clear proof.
Of course, Juventus finds other ways to boost their performance as well, but that is a seperate issue......
-
DanK
- Berichten: 1163
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 11:42 pm
- Locatie: not currently Melbourne, Australia.
Well it had to happen Melbourne Victory suffered their first defeat of the season (0-1) after 7 straight wins in a row. In front of a 2nd highest home and away season crowd in A-League history (33,000).
This was an absolute corker of a game even though it was lacking in clear chances. Fistycuffs started from about 1min in and was capped off in the 85th min when Melbourne's captain (and once the most hated man in English football) Kevin Muscat ran into the Adelaide coach (and Aust assistant coach) John Kosmina to retrieve the ball.
The resulting collision sent the Kosmina to the ground, however he was soon up on his feet and amazingly grabbed Muscat by the throat and it took about 8 players and officials to break them apart.
Muscat got a yellow and Kosmina is fronting the tribunal Wed night local time.
Even though it was highly entertaining, this act was a disgrace from a head coach (esp given he is Aust 2nd man).
I must say I am pleasantly surprised by the passion and quality of the football from Melbourne this season. Only matched by the supporters. A few years ago I could only dream to be able to witness this sort of atmosphere at a football game in my home town, but thanks to some balls by the new men in charge it finally come true.
Next week the biggest grudge match of all in Australia Sydney - v - Melbourne (away). Will be interesting to see if the Sydneysiders will come out in force as the Melbournians did a few weeks ago (40,000 supporters).
This was an absolute corker of a game even though it was lacking in clear chances. Fistycuffs started from about 1min in and was capped off in the 85th min when Melbourne's captain (and once the most hated man in English football) Kevin Muscat ran into the Adelaide coach (and Aust assistant coach) John Kosmina to retrieve the ball.
The resulting collision sent the Kosmina to the ground, however he was soon up on his feet and amazingly grabbed Muscat by the throat and it took about 8 players and officials to break them apart.
Muscat got a yellow and Kosmina is fronting the tribunal Wed night local time.
Even though it was highly entertaining, this act was a disgrace from a head coach (esp given he is Aust 2nd man).
I must say I am pleasantly surprised by the passion and quality of the football from Melbourne this season. Only matched by the supporters. A few years ago I could only dream to be able to witness this sort of atmosphere at a football game in my home town, but thanks to some balls by the new men in charge it finally come true.
Next week the biggest grudge match of all in Australia Sydney - v - Melbourne (away). Will be interesting to see if the Sydneysiders will come out in force as the Melbournians did a few weeks ago (40,000 supporters).
-
DanK
- Berichten: 1163
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 11:42 pm
- Locatie: not currently Melbourne, Australia.
The smallest link to Ajax i have ever come across. Aparently Ajax want to "look" at him.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 28,00.html
Whats the chance he's at Ajax in a few years???
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor ... 28,00.html
Whats the chance he's at Ajax in a few years???
-
Kowalczyk
- Moderator English Section
- Berichten: 13845
- Lid geworden op: vr sep 19, 2003 12:54 pm
- Locatie: AMSTERDAM
- Contacteer:
Are footballers stupid...?
One thing's for sure: Mr Fernando Ricksen is not a very smart person. He's now playing for Zenith St. Petersburg and is interviewed in this week's Voetbal International. He describes an incident where he saw someone bribe a policeman.
"I think it's a great system. You simply give a police officer some money and everybody is happy. The good man has some extra money and you won't get bombarded with fines and reminders and all that paperwork. This is a fantastic city. All those stories about corruption and danger are way over the top."
:D What a nutjob. How daft can you be?
K.
One thing's for sure: Mr Fernando Ricksen is not a very smart person. He's now playing for Zenith St. Petersburg and is interviewed in this week's Voetbal International. He describes an incident where he saw someone bribe a policeman.
"I think it's a great system. You simply give a police officer some money and everybody is happy. The good man has some extra money and you won't get bombarded with fines and reminders and all that paperwork. This is a fantastic city. All those stories about corruption and danger are way over the top."
:D What a nutjob. How daft can you be?
K.
Still alive...
-
Manneken Pis
- Berichten: 1331
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 4:29 pm
- Locatie: Brussels
We all agree that Ricksen's nuttier than a fruitcake, but having been to St. Pete's a number of times bribes are the only way to function there...Kowalczyk schreef:Are footballers stupid...?
One thing's for sure: Mr Fernando Ricksen is not a very smart person. He's now playing for Zenith St. Petersburg and is interviewed in this week's Voetbal International. He describes an incident where he saw someone bribe a policeman.
"I think it's a great system. You simply give a police officer some money and everybody is happy. The good man has some extra money and you won't get bombarded with fines and reminders and all that paperwork. This is a fantastic city. All those stories about corruption and danger are way over the top."
:D What a nutjob. How daft can you be?
K.
“If I wanted you to understand it, I would have explained it better.”
-
Venezuelan Ajacied
- Berichten: 1379
- Lid geworden op: vr feb 04, 2005 12:54 am
- Locatie: Melbourne,Florida.
Alright people i have some big news here.... for the first time in 12 years the US Soccer federation have accepted the invitation to play in the Copa America 2007 being held in....yes you have guessed it VENEZUELA !!!!!
Yay!!! it's gonna be nice to have the likes of Donovan,McBride and the rest of the gang in the country. I hope they get selected in the Group thats gonna play in Maracaibo, i'll be able too watch them live that way :eusa_dance:
Yay!!! it's gonna be nice to have the likes of Donovan,McBride and the rest of the gang in the country. I hope they get selected in the Group thats gonna play in Maracaibo, i'll be able too watch them live that way :eusa_dance:
BRING IT ON !!!!...
-
Leglaen
- Berichten: 5
- Lid geworden op: zo jan 15, 2006 4:32 am
- Locatie: Trinity University until August 2006, then St. Petersburg for Fall 06 and Prague in Spring 07
- Contacteer:
Yeah, I'm studying in Petersburg until January and I can say that there are policemen all over the place. I haven't been stopped (wearing a Zenit scarf helps me blend in!), but I have friends who tried to bribe and failed. Not fun.Manneken Pis schreef:Kowalczyk schreef:Are footballers stupid...?
One thing's for sure: Mr Fernando Ricksen is not a very smart person. He's now playing for Zenith St. Petersburg and is interviewed in this week's Voetbal International. He describes an incident where he saw someone bribe a policeman.
"I think it's a great system. You simply give a police officer some money and everybody is happy. The good man has some extra money and you won't get bombarded with fines and reminders and all that paperwork. This is a fantastic city. All those stories about corruption and danger are way over the top."
:D What a nutjob. How daft can you be?
K.
But I did see Zenit play, and Ricksen's doing alright. Advocaat's got a good team in place here, but probably will have to settle for 3rd or 4th place.
We all agree that Ricksen's nuttier than a fruitcake, but having been to St. Pete's a number of times bribes are the only way to function there...
-
SE6Ajacied
- Berichten: 2437
- Lid geworden op: wo mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm
- Locatie: Still quite close to London SE6
-
ZoefdeHaas
- Berichten: 1440
- Lid geworden op: ma mei 09, 2005 10:47 am
-
Manneken Pis
- Berichten: 1331
- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 4:29 pm
- Locatie: Brussels
Alex Ferg. has reached years at ManUre...tributes are bound to follow...
Ferg's 20th Anniversary, and Peace Breaks Out
Rob Smyth and Paul Doyle
Friday November 3, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
IN 1986 WE WERE SINGING ALONG TO JOHN FARNHAM
On Monday, Lord Ferg will have completed a mind-boggling 20 years as manager of the MU Rowdies, a feat he will celebrate before, during and after the match with Portsmouth at the GlazerBowl tomorrow. So, instead of writing a tribute to the Purple One, we decided to cut and paste some classic Fergie spraffs from the last two decades:
"Clubs come away from Anfield choking on their own vomit and biting their own tongues knowing they have been done by the referee" - revealing his love for Liverpool after the 10-man Rowdies grabbed a 3-3 draw in 1988.
"I should have gone ahead and signed Mick Harford" - explaining why the Rowdies failed to win the league in 1992.
"Big? It isn't big. It's magnificent! I've seen some whoppers in my time, but Dion's is something else" - Ferg's verdict on Dion Dublin's lunchbox, according to the then Coventry chairman Bryan Richardson, in 1994.
"I f*****g told youse not to ask that John. You know the rules here" - introducing John Motson to the hairdryer after Motty asked why Roy Keane had slugged Jan Fjortoft in 1995.
"If he was an inch taller he'd be the best centre-half in Britain. His father is 6ft 2in - I'd check the milkman" - appraising Gary Neville's parentage in 1996.
"He probably started crying" - explaining why Jack Walker wouldn't let Alan Shearer go to the DevilBowl in 1996.
"Some sinister magic appeared to be at work" - after defeat to Borussia Dortmund in the 1997 Big Cup semi-final.
"He's a bully, a f*****g big-time Charlie" - an impromptu paean to his former midfield stalwart Paul Ince in 1998.
"When an Italian says it's pasta I check under the sauce to make sure" - the old charmer limbers up for a visit to Milan in 1999.
"Football. Bloody hell" - lost for words after the Treble victory in 1999.
"We were very unlucky to lose the toss twice and play into the sun" - putting a novel spin on embarrassing failure at the World Club Championship in 2000.
"I'm no' f*****g talking to you. Veron's a great f***ing player. Youse are all f***ing idiots" - building bridges with the press after criticism of Juan Veron in 2002.
"My greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their f****n' perch, and you can print that" - responding to Alan Hansen's suggestion that regaining the title in 2002-03 would be his greatest challenge.
"Just f*****g patch him up" - Fergie's reputed instruction to the United physio after lamping a stray boot into David Beckham's face in 2003.
"It's getting tickly now. Squeaky-bum time, I call it" - tickling Arsenal's undercarriage in 2003.
"Real Madrid - they have a nice draw, they must have picked it themselves. The Spanish or Italian teams don't play each other, how do you think they work that out? They don't want us in the final, that's for sure, but I'm not listening" - after the Rowdies drew Real in Big Cup quarter-final in 2003. They lost.
"Arsenal played too many draws. The best team in England? That's always debatable" - evaluating Arsenal's 2003-04 Invincibles.
"Could I have two bullets?" - when asked 'If you had one bullet and Victoria Beckham and Arsene Wenger were in the room, what would you do?' in 2004.
"We're as good as Chelsea, no question" - after finishing eight points off the pace last season.
"It's scandalous that some people think I should retire. I have every right to work hard. I am going to continue working" - warming up for a few more years on the eve of his 20th anniversary.
Ferg's 20th Anniversary, and Peace Breaks Out
Rob Smyth and Paul Doyle
Friday November 3, 2006
Guardian Unlimited
IN 1986 WE WERE SINGING ALONG TO JOHN FARNHAM
On Monday, Lord Ferg will have completed a mind-boggling 20 years as manager of the MU Rowdies, a feat he will celebrate before, during and after the match with Portsmouth at the GlazerBowl tomorrow. So, instead of writing a tribute to the Purple One, we decided to cut and paste some classic Fergie spraffs from the last two decades:
"Clubs come away from Anfield choking on their own vomit and biting their own tongues knowing they have been done by the referee" - revealing his love for Liverpool after the 10-man Rowdies grabbed a 3-3 draw in 1988.
"I should have gone ahead and signed Mick Harford" - explaining why the Rowdies failed to win the league in 1992.
"Big? It isn't big. It's magnificent! I've seen some whoppers in my time, but Dion's is something else" - Ferg's verdict on Dion Dublin's lunchbox, according to the then Coventry chairman Bryan Richardson, in 1994.
"I f*****g told youse not to ask that John. You know the rules here" - introducing John Motson to the hairdryer after Motty asked why Roy Keane had slugged Jan Fjortoft in 1995.
"If he was an inch taller he'd be the best centre-half in Britain. His father is 6ft 2in - I'd check the milkman" - appraising Gary Neville's parentage in 1996.
"He probably started crying" - explaining why Jack Walker wouldn't let Alan Shearer go to the DevilBowl in 1996.
"Some sinister magic appeared to be at work" - after defeat to Borussia Dortmund in the 1997 Big Cup semi-final.
"He's a bully, a f*****g big-time Charlie" - an impromptu paean to his former midfield stalwart Paul Ince in 1998.
"When an Italian says it's pasta I check under the sauce to make sure" - the old charmer limbers up for a visit to Milan in 1999.
"Football. Bloody hell" - lost for words after the Treble victory in 1999.
"We were very unlucky to lose the toss twice and play into the sun" - putting a novel spin on embarrassing failure at the World Club Championship in 2000.
"I'm no' f*****g talking to you. Veron's a great f***ing player. Youse are all f***ing idiots" - building bridges with the press after criticism of Juan Veron in 2002.
"My greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their f****n' perch, and you can print that" - responding to Alan Hansen's suggestion that regaining the title in 2002-03 would be his greatest challenge.
"Just f*****g patch him up" - Fergie's reputed instruction to the United physio after lamping a stray boot into David Beckham's face in 2003.
"It's getting tickly now. Squeaky-bum time, I call it" - tickling Arsenal's undercarriage in 2003.
"Real Madrid - they have a nice draw, they must have picked it themselves. The Spanish or Italian teams don't play each other, how do you think they work that out? They don't want us in the final, that's for sure, but I'm not listening" - after the Rowdies drew Real in Big Cup quarter-final in 2003. They lost.
"Arsenal played too many draws. The best team in England? That's always debatable" - evaluating Arsenal's 2003-04 Invincibles.
"Could I have two bullets?" - when asked 'If you had one bullet and Victoria Beckham and Arsene Wenger were in the room, what would you do?' in 2004.
"We're as good as Chelsea, no question" - after finishing eight points off the pace last season.
"It's scandalous that some people think I should retire. I have every right to work hard. I am going to continue working" - warming up for a few more years on the eve of his 20th anniversary.
“If I wanted you to understand it, I would have explained it better.”
-
AsgAarD_xxx
- Berichten: 552
- Lid geworden op: vr apr 22, 2005 9:04 am
- Locatie: Piaseczno, Poland
- Contacteer:
His brain is not ok in 100% - he's just stopped drinking the alcohol (source: www.pilkanozna.pl). He said that transfer to Russia was the best step in his career, a re-birth... Ricksen told the press that now he can't even smell the alcohol.Kowalczyk schreef:Are footballers stupid...?
One thing's for sure: Mr Fernando Ricksen is not a very smart person. He's now playing for Zenith St. Petersburg and is interviewed in this week's Voetbal International. He describes an incident where he saw someone bribe a policeman.
"I think it's a great system. You simply give a police officer some money and everybody is happy. The good man has some extra money and you won't get bombarded with fines and reminders and all that paperwork. This is a fantastic city. All those stories about corruption and danger are way over the top."
K.
BTW - He's the first man I know, who stopped drinking when he came to Russia. Do you know anything about dutch version of "The X-files"? ;)
Just a lucky guess, judging by their last names and their appearance:ZoefdeHaas schreef:I read that Indonesia will try getting players with some Indonesian background from Holland to play for them in attempt to get into a WK.
It also said some of them played at youth programs at Ajax, anyone know who they are?
Raphael Supusepa
Michael Timisela
Christian Supusepa
Giovanni Kasanwirjo
Donovan Partosoebroto
seedorf
as a long-time fan of clarence seedorf i am very happy to see he was recalled into the dutch squad for the friendly. he is a world-class midfielder with incredible skill. i have been a long-time advocate of him being in the dutch squad (i was dismayed at him not being in germany). you could have used him in germany without a doubt. i know that the knock against him was his temprament, but he was maybe the next great dutch midfielder after gullit imho. so what do you expext after a role-model like gullit?
he's been pulling the strings in the milan engine room for years and he is under-rated in my opinion. a pint of heineken says he runs england ragged if he gets in!!!
he's been pulling the strings in the milan engine room for years and he is under-rated in my opinion. a pint of heineken says he runs england ragged if he gets in!!!
-
SE6Ajacied
- Berichten: 2437
- Lid geworden op: wo mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm
- Locatie: Still quite close to London SE6
I was looking on the web when I found these two sites that'll probably interest you lot so I'm posting them here.
http://www.epitch.co.uk/eredivisie/
http://www.dutchplayers.nl/
The second one is particularly fun. Have been having a good old browse right now.....
http://www.epitch.co.uk/eredivisie/
http://www.dutchplayers.nl/
The second one is particularly fun. Have been having a good old browse right now.....
Forza Haarlem. HFC Gone but not forgotten!
-
SE6Ajacied
- Berichten: 2437
- Lid geworden op: wo mar 23, 2005 1:14 pm
- Locatie: Still quite close to London SE6
We don't have a quiz question thread so I'll do this here.
I got this off the TV, I didn't get it so lets see if anyone else can. This is from the last 20 years.
Which player was on the winning side against Ajax in two consecutive games, for two different teams, from two different countries?
No clues! :evildr:
I got this off the TV, I didn't get it so lets see if anyone else can. This is from the last 20 years.
Which player was on the winning side against Ajax in two consecutive games, for two different teams, from two different countries?
No clues! :evildr:
Forza Haarlem. HFC Gone but not forgotten!