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- Berichten: 72
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I accept that Phillipe, but he has been coach for a long time now and a club like Ajax should qualify for the champions league. For a club like Ajax winning the playoffs isnt a great achievement. I may be wrong of course, and Danny blind might win the league at a canter next season and take us to the semi finals of the champions league. but i dont think he ever will. Louis van gaal should be coach. I agree about Koeman, he wasnt right either, but i think he was better than Danny Blind.
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That is true, but to me it's not the most important point in judging a coach.ozzerdibazio schreef:I accept that Phillipe, but he has been coach for a long time now and a club like Ajax should qualify for the champions league.
What I want is that the team plays well and actually shows signs of improvement. I want a coach to have a plan and to steadily make the team a better team.
That is why I think Blind has failed. He's been in charge for well over a year now. He had the chance two work with the team in the last months of last season, then he had a whole summer to buy the players he wanted to buy and then he started the new season saying that this team was good enough.
And what happened? It was the most disastrous season in 41 years and there has been absolutely no improvement at all. I think he should be held responsible for that - and two wins over Feyenoord in the play-offs can't change that. It's about the whole picture, over a whole season, and that picture is not satisfying.
K.
Still alive...
He also had to do with a full team of players who knew that they would leave Ajax at season's end. I'm not sure it helped him and the team.
I could blame Blind for 2 things : the "Escude affair" and the way he handled the ineffectiveness of his forwards. I mean : at the beginning of the season, the team played rather well, but failed scoring. Then I think he started to change his team for each game in order to find the good combination to score goals. He didn't succeed in that (btw, maybe it's the better thing of the season cause now we have the best striker of the Eredivisie. Imagine if he had returned to PSV... X'C ), but the team began to play poorly...
I don't know what he sould have done at this moment, but a more experienced coach would have probably be better, and he would have recovered from this faster.
So I'm OK to get a new coach, but only if he is a lot more experienced than Blind, otherwise I prefer to keep Blind.
We're speaking a lot of Henk ten Cate. According to El Mundo Deportivo, he told Barcelona that he will leave at season's end to coach an Eredivisie top team. Ajax or PSV, we don't know. I must say I don't know him. I've read he trained teams like NAC or Vitesse. Was he good and would he be a good replacement for Blind ?
I could blame Blind for 2 things : the "Escude affair" and the way he handled the ineffectiveness of his forwards. I mean : at the beginning of the season, the team played rather well, but failed scoring. Then I think he started to change his team for each game in order to find the good combination to score goals. He didn't succeed in that (btw, maybe it's the better thing of the season cause now we have the best striker of the Eredivisie. Imagine if he had returned to PSV... X'C ), but the team began to play poorly...
I don't know what he sould have done at this moment, but a more experienced coach would have probably be better, and he would have recovered from this faster.
So I'm OK to get a new coach, but only if he is a lot more experienced than Blind, otherwise I prefer to keep Blind.
We're speaking a lot of Henk ten Cate. According to El Mundo Deportivo, he told Barcelona that he will leave at season's end to coach an Eredivisie top team. Ajax or PSV, we don't know. I must say I don't know him. I've read he trained teams like NAC or Vitesse. Was he good and would he be a good replacement for Blind ?
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:yes: Thats true i heard Luis Omar Tapia ( The Johan Derksen in Latin America if you will) say the same thing during the Milan-Barca game.Cedric_AeF schreef:He also had to do with a full team of players who knew that they would leave Ajax at season's end. I'm not sure it helped him and the team.
I could blame Blind for 2 things : the "Escude affair" and the way he handled the ineffectiveness of his forwards. I mean : at the beginning of the season, the team played rather well, but failed scoring. Then I think he started to change his team for each game in order to find the good combination to score goals. He didn't succeed in that (btw, maybe it's the better thing of the season cause now we have the best striker of the Eredivisie. Imagine if he had returned to PSV... X'C ), but the team began to play poorly...
I don't know what he sould have done at this moment, but a more experienced coach would have probably be better, and he would have recovered from this faster.
So I'm OK to get a new coach, but only if he is a lot more experienced than Blind, otherwise I prefer to keep Blind.
We're speaking a lot of Henk ten Cate. According to El Mundo Deportivo, he told Barcelona that he will leave at season's end to coach an Eredivisie top team. Ajax or PSV, we don't know. I must say I don't know him. I've read he trained teams like NAC or Vitesse. Was he good and would he be a good replacement for Blind ?
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Van Basten?
Any chance Marco coaches Ajax next year? I don't think it's been written anywhere but win or lose, I would think he'd quit Oranje after the WC...so why not come home?
"Just one more...then I'll quit...forever"
Re: Van Basten?
I doubt it very much.Roche schreef:Any chance Marco coaches Ajax next year? I don't think it's been written anywhere but win or lose, I would think he'd quit Oranje after the WC...so why not come home?
Van Basten's intention is to take Oranje to the Euro in 2008.
That depends on what happens at the World Cup. If he fucks up the media won't take long to turn on him. Just look at how they treated Advocaat at Euro 2004.
Still, I wouldn't want Van Basten as manager. What experience does he have with club management? None. We need somebody who knows what they are doing from Day 1. The Ajax 1 job isn't some kind of management internship for ex-footballers.
Still, I wouldn't want Van Basten as manager. What experience does he have with club management? None. We need somebody who knows what they are doing from Day 1. The Ajax 1 job isn't some kind of management internship for ex-footballers.
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- Lid geworden op: do feb 03, 2005 11:42 pm
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Happy to celebrate, but I really think we are still playing like shit. Fword should and could have scored 7 against us, our defense is still poor and we can't pass or hang on to the ball to save our lives.philippe schreef:time will tell : play-off final, cup final, CL elimation round....
for now, let's celebrate this fantastic week :worshippy:
If we go into Europe (CL) with the same tactics we will be destroyed yet again.
Truth be told, we didnt really show improvement in these 2 games. The last 4 games we have played we could have easily lost.
But I am so glad we kicked fwords butt. Bring on our DVDs!!!
Blind should still go. Happy for him to prove me wrong though.
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Hmmm... I must say I disagree with you here. I am the first to admit that Ajax still aren't great, but I don't think we could as well have lost these two games against Feyenoord. They had their chances, okay, but I think we stuffed them in a pretty convincing way over-all. I mean: 7-2 on aggregate... you can hardly call that lucky.DanK schreef:Happy to celebrate, but I really think we are still playing like shit. Fword should and could have scored 7 against us, our defense is still poor and we can't pass or hang on to the ball to save our lives.
If we go into Europe (CL) with the same tactics we will be destroyed yet again.
Truth be told, we didnt really show improvement in these 2 games. The last 4 games we have played we could have easily lost.
I think Ajax did show something that we did not get to see during the season, namely determination. You could tell that they wanted this really badly - and they pulled it off. I do think these games were a leap forward.
K.
Still alive...
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- Lid geworden op: ma mar 07, 2005 12:09 pm
Dont want to sound rude but what game were you watching. Apart from the 2 obvious misses by Kalou in first and second half, Feyenoord never really had that many clear cut chances, mostly half chances. In addition Roenberg hit the post, Rosales had a great chance in first half and Huntelaar had a good chance in 2nd half.DanK schreef:Happy to celebrate, but I really think we are still playing like shit. Fword should and could have scored 7 against us, our defense is still poor and we can't pass or hang on to the ball to save our lives.philippe schreef:time will tell : play-off final, cup final, CL elimation round....
for now, let's celebrate this fantastic week :worshippy:
Feyenoord got what they deserved - an absolute humping.
Thought the defence was not that bad considering that the pressure was on Feyenoord to attack - they cleared the ball when required which I am happy enough with.
O would some power the giftie gie us to see ourselves as others see us.
- DanK
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Hey no problems. I am man enough to admit I might have made a hasty call (can I be excused? I did write it up pretty late in the night herejamcocteau schreef:Dont want to sound rude but what game were you watching...Feyenoord got what they deserved - an absolute humping.
I just watched the game again and withdraw (partly) my comments above. We were the much better team apart from the first 20min or so.
I am still not happy with our overall perfermance. I think our defense was found wanting again a few times, but you cannot knock a 7-2 agg win now can you? Our 3rd goal was an outstanding piece of team work. Maybe even our goal of the season. 8 passes from the back then a touch for goal. Beautiful.
I still think we are just not clicking well, but as Ko mentioned above, we did show determination which we have been missing for most of the season.
I am still not convinced Blind is our man, but again, I am happy for him to prove me wrong.
Finally - How can I be negative at all??? We just kicked Fwords arse and thats something worth releasing a DVD for :D
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After the game the supporters in the away section chanted Danny Blind's name for minutes. That's when the above picture was taken. Blind was very emotional about it. He was interviewed on TV and behind his back the fans kept chanting his name. He almost started crying and had to stop the interview. Quite moving...
K.
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- Lid geworden op: ma mei 09, 2005 10:47 am
Of course I want the man who let Escudé leave by the backdoor to Sevilla out as soon as possible, and nothing will make me forget about that season, where we were absolutely abysmally shit.ZoefdeHaas schreef:If Blind successfuly takes Ajax to CL this season, and assuming he wont lead Ajax to another dissapointing season, then I think he'll stay for one more season, unless he wins the Eredivisie or something and gets an extension.
Let's find a good and experienced replacement for Blind.
meh :|
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- Lid geworden op: ma mei 09, 2005 10:47 am
Ofocurse Blind wasnt the best coach we had, but I think its unfair to say he "lead us to our worst" season.
With this new play off system, becoming 2nd or 4th doesn't mean anything. Unless you got first you could say he did well, and if he got out of CL play off spot than hes bad. This isnt the same regular season, so comparing the performances isnt an accurate account of Blind's managing this season respectivly.
With this new play off system, becoming 2nd or 4th doesn't mean anything. Unless you got first you could say he did well, and if he got out of CL play off spot than hes bad. This isnt the same regular season, so comparing the performances isnt an accurate account of Blind's managing this season respectivly.
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