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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby bryan » Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:25 pm

rjf1 wrote:Who can say -- impossible to know what is happening behind the scenes -- all we can do is look at the results of him cleaning out the stables -- 10 wins and a jump from a miserable 6th place (and heading downward) to 1st and a great shot at another title. That's all I need to know.


Look at the clubs around Ajax in de Eredivisie. AZ, Feyenoord, PSV and Twente. All have gone bankrupt in the last 10 years or needed emergency funding from the government to prevent them going bankrupt.

Now look at Ajax: Ajax is financially well off, has one of the best youth systems in Europe (as has been proven again this year), and is now champions twice in a row.

It seems it's not such a disaster of a club after all, huh.

Maybe it's time the fans started to take a little pride in their club and stopped listening to Cruijff telling them how everything is shit.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby aveslacker » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:16 pm

bryan wrote:
rjf1 wrote:Who can say -- impossible to know what is happening behind the scenes -- all we can do is look at the results of him cleaning out the stables -- 10 wins and a jump from a miserable 6th place (and heading downward) to 1st and a great shot at another title. That's all I need to know.


Look at the clubs around Ajax in de Eredivisie. AZ, Feyenoord, PSV and Twente. All have gone bankrupt in the last 10 years or needed emergency funding from the government to prevent them going bankrupt.

Now look at Ajax: Ajax is financially well off, has one of the best youth systems in Europe (as has been proven again this year), and is now champions twice in a row.

It seems it's not such a disaster of a club after all, huh.

Maybe it's time the fans started to take a little pride in their club and stopped listening to Cruijff telling them how everything is shit.


Every time Cruijff has made his noises about coming in to rescue the club, I've been worried because he never seems to want to actually stick around and put his own credibility on the chopping block. Now after all this fighting to control the club, what does he do? He spends all but one or two days a month in Barcelona and wants to appoint some random people with no connection to the club to some "important" roles. It makes me wonder what's going on in his head.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Tom_ » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:20 pm

rjf1 wrote:Who can say -- impossible to know what is happening behind the scenes -- all we can do is look at the results of him cleaning out the stables -- 10 wins and a jump from a miserable 6th place (and heading downward) to 1st and a great shot at another title. That's all I need to know.


But wasn't the horrible run of form around the winterstop right in the middle of the Cruijff revolution?
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Benji » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:22 pm

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That I'm the one who may congratulate Johan Cruyff with his 65th birthday is not so obvious. I'll tell you why I am the right person.

We had and have our disagreements, but we also have much in common: the love for Ajax, Barcelona and attacking football.

Johan put Dutch football on the map and also socially he has shown himself on several fronts.

In top football it might be rough on the pitch, but outside the lines, hands are shaken.

On behalf of all Dutch football fans I therefore wish Johan a wonderful birthday!

Louis van Gaal.


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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Cruijff » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:24 pm

Thank you Louis.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby souras84 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:47 pm

Bravo Louis!!! Great man!!!
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Orange14 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:28 am

The only birthday disappointment was Barca's loss to Chelsea tonight. They just could not solve the pack it in defense (much like the problems Ajax often encounter in league matches).
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby aveslacker » Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:53 am

Very classy from Louis. Makes me proud to be a small part of the Ajax family. :smile-ajax.gif:
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Blind3 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:49 pm

Very classy from Louis van Gaal !!! KUDOS :ajaxscarf.gif: . Happy birthday to Johan Cruijff !!!
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby SPL » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Yes class from Louis and Happy Birthday to JC
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby GangstaRiB » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:40 pm

SPL wrote:Yes class from Louis and Happy Birthday to JC


In the Dutch section a couple of conspiracy theorists are saying that this advertisement is not genuine..... what do you guys think? I think it's a great gesture of Van Gaal. Finally it's time to end the war.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Orange14 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:39 pm

GangstaRiB wrote:
SPL wrote:Yes class from Louis and Happy Birthday to JC


In the Dutch section a couple of conspiracy theorists are saying that this advertisement is not genuine..... what do you guys think? I think it's a great gesture of Van Gaal. Finally it's time to end the war.

It looks like a newspaper or magazine advert and someone should be able to track down the source. I didn't see it posted on the Ajax team website anywhere.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Dubbel » Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:34 am

GangstaRiB wrote:
SPL wrote:Yes class from Louis and Happy Birthday to JC


In the Dutch section a couple of conspiracy theorists are saying that this advertisement is not genuine..... what do you guys think? I think it's a great gesture of Van Gaal. Finally it's time to end the war.

Seriously, had Caesar lived and Brutus etched a birthday greeting into a monolith downtown Rome 4 months after, wouldn't those words have sounded somewhat hollow?
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Cedric » Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:48 am

Would Caesar still be "Dictator perpetuo" then? :hypocrite.gif:
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby aveslacker » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:13 am

Dubbel wrote:
GangstaRiB wrote:
SPL wrote:Yes class from Louis and Happy Birthday to JC


In the Dutch section a couple of conspiracy theorists are saying that this advertisement is not genuine..... what do you guys think? I think it's a great gesture of Van Gaal. Finally it's time to end the war.

Seriously, had Caesar lived and Brutus etched a birthday greeting into a monolith downtown Rome 4 months after, wouldn't those words have sounded somewhat hollow?


If it wasn't Van Gaal, don't you think he would have come out and said so by now?
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Dubbel » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:32 pm

aveslacker wrote:
Dubbel wrote:
GangstaRiB wrote:
In the Dutch section a couple of conspiracy theorists are saying that this advertisement is not genuine..... what do you guys think? I think it's a great gesture of Van Gaal. Finally it's time to end the war.

Seriously, had Caesar lived and Brutus etched a birthday greeting into a monolith downtown Rome 4 months after, wouldn't those words have sounded somewhat hollow?


If it wasn't Van Gaal, don't you think he would have come out and said so by now?


You're missing the point, aveslacker. Not your fault, GangstaRIB should work on his english.

The question wasn't if the advertisement was genuine but if his motives were pure.

Anyway, we're reading too much into it. Aegon said that its marketeers came up with the whole thing and that Cruijff approved the text before publishing.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Orange14 » Sat May 25, 2013 1:13 pm

Johan's grandson, Jesjua, recently had a trial with my home town club DC United. Unfortunately he was not signed to a contract. Johan played here in DC a lot of years ago for the old Washington Diplomats.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Cruijff » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:05 am

You guys still remember the episode of Steven ten Have? I just found a very nice picture:


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Judas comes to Barcelona and is visiting JC with a big muck in his pants.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Orange14 » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:44 pm

Self-evident truths from the Oracle: http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/espnfcuni ... 20?cc=5901
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Kowalczyk » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:18 pm

Still alive...
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby SPL » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:35 pm

50 years ago today in Groningen the great man made his Ajax debut. They played GVAV ,lost 3-1 but JC scored the only goal. I see Vic Buckingham the englishman was still coach then .

I doubt anyone at that match could have imagined what JC was going to achieve.
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Dubbel » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:02 am

Posted this pic from that day (50 yrs ago) in the DZ as well but here's for u anglophones;

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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby SPL » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:01 am

Thanks for the picture of the great man as a youth
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby Manneken Pis » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:33 pm

Interesting article:

Cruyff’s velvet revolution at Ajax is failing miserably:

http://dutchsoccersite.org/cruyffs-velvet-revolution-at-ajax-is-failing-miserably/
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Re: 'J.C.' - The Omnipresent Oracle

Postby rjf1 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:58 pm

Good aritcle! Thanks for the link.
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